I just got word of the details from today's meeting with Donald Trump and several people involved in the "birther" movement. Gary from Give Us Liberty has provided a quick summary of what went on at the meeting...
We just heard from our fellow patriot who attended the Trump meeting. "IT COULD NOT HAVE GONE BETTER!" Trump was fully engaged and asked questions. On issues that he was unclear he asked the various members of the Arizona delegation to do get the information and documentation to him as soon as possible. The meeting lasted 30 minutes.
There were many media out in the hallway. The media were not allowed in the meeting which was attended by Trump and his Assistant Michael Cohen and the three members of the Arizona delegation. Trump indicated that he fully supports the Arizona eligibility legislation and he pledged a visit to Arizona very soon!
Trump gave every indication that he moving forward with his investigation re: "Obama".
Trump was very familiar with issues in Kenya particularly the recorded statement from "Obama's" grandmother having witnessed his birth in Kenya.
Attorney Mario Apuzzo was not involved in this meeting, however it appears that WND had some sort of phone feed.
There was a brief statement and Q & A after the meeting with the media. Mr. Trump was not involved. Rep. Carl Seel (R-Phoenix) spoke to the media briefly. We shall see what the media reports. -snip-
UPDATE: Dear Friends and Fellow Fighters for the Preservation of Our Constitution,
As several of you may know already, State Representative Carl Seel, Kelly Townsend, and myself met in Donald Trump's office in NY today with Mr. Trump and his chief executive Michael Cohen.
We had three goals going into the meeting and I believe that we met all three to the best extent possible in a 30 minute meeting (actually 20 because Mr. Trump took a call from Newsmax during the meeting). The goals were 1) to obtain Trump's stated support for the current Arizona Eligibility Bills, which will come to decisive votes this coming week or the one after. 2) To find out as much as possible what the Trump Organization already knew and what they still may not know about the entire eligibility issue, and 3) to get a committment from him to come to Arizona to speak with the Governor, other public officials and the public.
RESULTS:
Goal # 1 ..... Met in total, permission received to state his support for the bill publicly!!
Goal # 2 ..... Met within the time constraints. The discussion trend allowed me to ask Mr. Trump right after he was speaking about the Kenyan grandmother, whether he knew about the Kenyan Assemblyman, (James Orengo) who stated on their Assembly floor so that it is documented that Obama was a son of their soil. He apparently did not know of that and asked me to send him the documentation. Anyone who has it readily available is welcome to send it to me so that I can forward it. Even more importantly, I also had the opportunity when we were discussing whether a real long form birth certificate actually exists to do two things. I mentioned Tim Adams, the Hawaiian election clerk and recent affadavit and ALSO asked whether he, Trump, was going to take the issue beyond the birth certificate and place of birth to the question of NATURAL BORN CITIZENSHIP. He asked me to explain precisely what that was and I then got to recite the precise clause from Article II, Section I and explain what the founders meant by it; and where they got the concept from, that being Vattel. He said that he liked the way I was explaining it and gave me another "homework" assignment to send him more information about it. Also, at some point in the discussion, the false social security number belonging to someone from Connecticut born in 1890 came up and so they are aware of that situation to some extent - maybe not all the way to the FOIA actions and suits filed vs. the Social Security Administration by Orly Taitz. Time did not allow getting into the issue to that full extent. ANYONE WHO WANTS TO HELP ME WITH THESE HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENTS, PLEASE DO, I WELCOME IT.
Goal # 3 .... Met, very largely in total. Donald Trump has agreed to come to Phoenix probably in June and asked that Carl, Kelly, and myself be his "point men" when he does come.
Other items to possibly discuss that were on my personal "checklist" included the Pelosi Dual Nomination Forms constituting Election Fraud; the Secretary's of States allowing anyone and everyone on ballots i.e. Roger Calero; McCain's role in Senate Resolution 511; Terry Lakin and Theresa Cao (more on her below) the Congressional Research Service Report; the Newspaper Birth Announcements; the Selective Service Registration; Pastor Manning; and the Barnett vs. Obama case now going to be heard in 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. I'M SORRY BUT TIME AND DISCUSSION TRENDS DID NOT PERMIT THESE TO BE DISCUSSED.
There were at least ten to fifteen television cameras there and Carl Seel did about a ten minute interview with them and the press. At the end of that line was a lady who appeared to be a press member but turned out to be Theresa Cao. For those of you who don't know who Theresa is and her story, I don't have time here to get into it but she is an American hero and came all the way from DC by train this morning to see what was happening with this meeting. I had the pleasure of not only meeting her but taking her to lunch with us!
PS; There will be some good pictures coming out from within Trump's office that will be keepsakes and Donald Trump also signed personal messages for Judy Burges, Carl Seel, Kelly, and myself. -Jeff Lichter
Notre Dame Professor Charles Rice: Obama's eligibility could be biggest political fraud in the history of the world; time for a new approach -Details here.
Attorney Mario Apuzzo: All presidents born after 1787, except for Chester Arthur and Barack Obama, met the “natural born Citizen” criteria. -Details here.
Commander Charles Kerchner: List of U.S. Presidents - Eligibility under Article II Grandfather Clause (GFC) or Natural Born Citizen (NBC) Clause or Seated due to Election Fraud -Details here.
Jack Cashill Discusses Obama's Fraudulent Social Security Number Reserved for Connecticut Applicants -Video here.
Visit the Birther Vault for the long list of evidence against Hawaii officials and all of the people questioning Obama's eligibility; [http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/08/video-ltc-terry-lakins-attorney-on-cnn.html].
U.S. Presidents & Eligibility: Grandfather Clause, Natural Born Citizen Clause, or Seated by Fraud
Obama Not Born in Hawaii-per Orengo, Khalwale, and Tim Adams-Wash Times Natl Wkly-20110404-pg 5
32 comments:
Has anyone informed Donald Trump about the full definition of natural born citizen (born in the country AND born to citizen parents)? Even if born in Hawaii, Obama would be ineligible due to his foreign allegiance at birth, which is due to the fact of Obama Senior's foreign citizenship.
@Texoma
Yes, from what I understand...
I find it odd yet intriguing that the Arizona state Representatives were invited to this meeting to brief Trump on the eligibility issue. Why not some reps from each state that's been working on an eligibility bill? Why just those from Arizona? It's got me thinking about how their state's eligibility bill looked like a sure thing but then suddenly, only a day or a few days before the bill's scheduled vote date, a bunch of the AZ Republican state reps suddenly changed their position on it, saying they wouldn't vote for and sign the bill, after all. I wondered then if they changed their position at the urging of a person or persons outside their state and now I'm wondering if their change of mind is somehow tied directly to information uncovered in Hawaii.
I'm also remembering the other AZ bill, not their eligibility bill, but the one about anchor babies and that it included a definition of "natural born citizen" as having been born in the US but made no mention of the parents' citizenship and wondering if including that definition was an attempt to set a precedent in the state of Arizona, something to be referred to when preparing the ballots in 2012. And I'm wondering if it's this bill, either in addition to or instead of AZ's eligibility bill, that could have direct ties to information uncovered in HI.
If Trump and his people plan to reveal their discoveries, when their investigations are complete and all parts and pieces and details are assembled to tell the whole, true story of the usurper's past, as I believe they do, I hope it's soon. The anticipation is killing me.
@Texoma
Only thousands of citizens in what must surely be tens of thousands of messages they sent to him via his shouldtrumprun.com message feature.
Maybe Trump is simply recognizing fully the persecution that Arizona has suffered at the hands of Holder and the Obama regime. What state has been more disrespected and insulted by the federal government? They deserved to be there. As long as we get results. I don't care if Barney was there as long as the case can be made re: Obama's crimes against the Constitution and the American people. I have been told personally that the meeting went very well. We are on our way!
Great to hear that the meeting went well and that The Donald is becoming more and more versed on this issue by the day.
Looks like the leftist loons are already wailing and gnashing their teeth over this, especially Vice Usurper Joe Biden's daughter: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/52784.html
The Politico article got my blood boiling, so I fired off this message to its writer:
Maggie, knock off the bullshit about the theory of a foreign birth for Barack Hussein Obama being debunked. You damn well know that anyone can get a certification of live birth (note I said certification of live birth, not certificate of live birth -- there is a helluva difference between the two, so do us all a favor and bone up on that, won't you?). All one needs to do is be a Hawaiian resident for one year, then simply attest that this baby or that baby was born in Hawaii. The Department of Health will then gladly register that you are reporting a Hawaiian birth and then give you a piece of paper that is based solely on your word, with no other witnesses to corroborate your testimony. Now do you see how Barack Hussein Obama's mama or grandmama may have pulled off this very stunt to ensure that little Barry, who really was born in Mombasa, Kenya as his step-grandmother claimed, to see to it that he gets American citizenship rather than British citizenship under his daddy? Trust me, lady, this kind of chicanery happens every day by all kinds of illegal immigrants wanting to come here, and it has nothing to do with wanting to ensure that their little ones will one day become president.
Good job CA Birther...we need more people responding to all the liars out there.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/52784.html
That coming from a coke head... I would say she is gnashing her teeth due the cocaine use...
Scandal for the White House after Vice President Joe Biden's daughter is 'caught on tape snorting cocaine'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1165798/Scandal-White-House-Vice-President-Joe-Bidens-daughter-caught-tape-snorting-cocaine.html
EXCLUSIVE: Biden Cocaine Scandal Video Shot With Hidden Camera; Lawyer Quits
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/03/exclusive-biden-cocaine-scandal-video-shot-hidden-camera-lawyer-quits
Thanks, giveusliberty1776, and the same to you. ORYR, I guess you aren't as charitable as me regarding Biden's daughter, LOL! I was going to call her a "hot party girl," which her friends called her in a New York Post article, but thought that'd be resorting to the kind of low blows and schoolyard name callings that the leftists are fond of delivering when they can't come up with facts to counter our findings.
I wonder if BHO's CONNECTICUT SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER (042-68-4425) was discussed?
As per the latest report from Post and Email News, at the meeting this morning, Trump was made aware of the natural born citizenship requirement and its definition, something he didn't already know.
http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/08/attendee-at-trump-meeting-it-couldnt-have-gone-any-better/
I've been wrong about Trump's reasons for not mentioning the natural born citizenship requirement. If any of you feel that an apology is due from me for my defense of Trump, then I apologize to you.
Had a disturbing thought... what if the Obama plan is to have a concerted effort by his union buddies, communist friends, etc... just prior to November 2012 so that the election itself can be postponed/canceled (thru some executive order)due to national state of emergency, riots, voter intimidation at polling locations. Suppose he involves our military in 1 or more additional mid-east conflicts over the course of the next 12 months or so... no one at home to stop him from implementing his plan. Soros helping him at every turn with starting his "velvet" rebellions in the East. I'm thinking this is his fall-back plan if/when the truth starts to leak out.
To Texacoma,
The answer to your question ... yes. One step at a time but Trump is rapidly being brought up to speed on this issue. His attorney and special adviser Michael Cohen has been provided a copy of the pleadings and petition to the Supreme Court in the Kerchner v Obama case.
CDR Kerchner (Ret)
http://www.protectourliberty.org
Can Trump make a citizen's arrest on Barry? That's the ultimate "You're Fired and Good Luck in Prison! reality tv.
It's no mystery why 0bama's mother would "volunteer" at an office in Hawaii. This afforded her access to vital records, including Social Security numbers.. She was clearly on a mission to fabricate her son's U.S. citizenship status so as to allow him being eligible for gov't assistance, health care, etc.
@Infidel Joe
Waiting to find out more details of the meeting, through our contact who did attend the meeting. We will cover the issues such as Connecticut based SSN and Quo Warranto to find out if it was mentioned. This matter isn't so much about a birth certificate, other than a falsified document likely represents an election fraud issue, but it is more an issue of satisfying Art II natural born citizenship. Mario Apuzzo is the expert at citing those cases which take precident. Apuzzo was on call but not contacted during the meeting. I'm interested in WND's take on their phone conference with Trump.
Steve @GUL
It's a trap! I am sympathetic to this cause. Everything about Obama may indeed be a fabrication. This is why I think it is a trap:
Here we have a potentional Republican presidential candidate openly commenting on the veracity of President Obamas orign of birth. He,and the birthers (for a lack of a better term) point out all of the inconsistencies of his biography. The furor reaches a crescendo as the election nears. All of a sudden, President Obama whips out .... his birth certificate and says, "Looky here! This is my birth certificate and it's even got the official Hawaii seal crunched in the official paper right here. Those mean nasty Rethuglicans are tyring to convince you that I am not a real American". And Obma skates to a second term.
It's a trap, folks. Be cautious that your righteous indignation does not backfire. It can be easily be turned against whoever is the Republican nominee even if it is all true. The general electorate will not care about that. Just the optics.
@Texoma April 8, 2011 11:44 AM
Here.
-snip-
"Goal # 1 ….. Met in total, permission received to state his support for the bill publicly!!
Goal # 2 ….. Met within the time constraints. The discussion trend allowed me to ask Mr. Trump right after he was speaking about the Kenyan grandmother, whether he knew about the Kenyan Assemblyman, (James Orengo) who stated on their Assembly floor so that it is documented that Obama was a son of their soil.
...
Goal # 3 …. Met, very largely in total. Donald Trump has agreed to come to Phoenix probably in June and asked that Carl, Kelly, and myself be his “point men” when he does come. ...
"Trump, was going to take the issue beyond the birth certificate and place of birth to the question of NATURAL BORN CITIZENSHIP. He asked me to explain precisely what that was and I then got to recite the precise clause from Article II, Section I and explain what the founders meant by it; and where they got the concept from, that being Vattel. He said that he liked the way I was explaining it and gave me another “homework” assignment to send him more information about it. "
-end snip-
http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/08/attendee-at-trump-meeting-it-couldnt-have-gone-any-better/
RS
I have the entire 69 page document, (hard copy), from the March 25th 2010 Kenyan Parliament where they talk of Obama being born in Kenya in no uncertain terms. I would send that and some other items to the Trump organization in the morning if I had a good address to insure they would receive it.
Do you have the an address to use for me to send this information?
I added Jeff's update above... It was sitting in my other email box...
I'm lifting the comment moderation, have to step out for the night..
EXCUSE THE VILE COMMENTS FROM THE OBOTS...
@Anonymous
"I have the entire 69 page document, (hard copy), from the March 25th 2010 Kenyan Parliament where they talk of Obama being born in Kenya in no uncertain terms"
I also send the Parliamentary minutes in pdf for November 5, 2008 when celebration broke out for Obama. Plenty of choice comments from the Parliamentarians about Obama being the "son of the soil" who "originated" from Kenya, et al.
Send the Nov 5th, 2008 Minutes too if you got it. I've got both in archives and will be sending both when I find them tonight among other stuff. :0)
And hey OBots, your girl is going down. The liberal media challenge the wrong dude. He's playing to win.
RS
@Anonymous
"Looky here! This is my birth certificate and it's even got the official Hawaii seal crunched in the official paper right here. Those mean nasty Rethuglicans are tyring to convince you that I am not a real American". And Obma skates to a second term.
Because except for the lacking proof of eligibility, Barky's been doing a fine job in the White House. /sarc
@Anonymous
It's no mystery why 0bama's mother would "volunteer" at an office in Hawaii. This afforded her access to vital records, including Social Security numbers.. She was clearly on a mission to fabricate her son's U.S. citizenship status so as to allow him being eligible for gov't assistance, health care, etc.
The irony of Stanley Anne Dunham, the America-bashing, socialist lefturd wanting her son to have American citizenship isn't lost on me.
The hypocrisy of libturds knows no bounds.
@ObamaRelease YourRecords
Is it okay if I flying monkeys' noses in their droppings until you get back to "scrub" the place up?
@Anonymous
Can Trump make a citizen's arrest on Barry?
I imagine he could. It would probably be as binding as the citizens grand juries that have been held across the country or the guilty verdict of Pastor Manning's Columbia trial.
@giveusliberty1776
Sympathy for having been abused and mistreated would be a piss-poor basis for selecting attendees to a meeting (unless the meeting is about victims of mistreatment and abuse, of course) or, in this case, a briefing. I can't imagine that Trump has made it as far as he has in business, headed numerous corporations, and made $ billions, yet selects those most deserving of his pity to be present at meetings he chairs.
Could it be that Arizona's eligibility bill is/was the only one Trump was aware of?
@Anonymous
I meant to ask if it's okay if I rub the flying monkeys' noses in their droppings until you get back to "scrub" the place up?
Am I the only one having a problem posting under anything besides anonymous?
testing testing
For people wishing to send information to Donald Trump’s top adviser and lawyer to pass along to Donald Trump, I suggest you attach an executive summary cover page to each enclosure telling him exactly what page to read the statements in that enclosure you want to call to their attention and highlight those lines with yellow highlighter. Yellow will not block out text when making copies at their end, if they so desire, such as pink or other color highlighters do with copiers sometimes. Try not to send too many documents and address too many issues in one packet, 2 or 3 at most, and prepare an executive summary page, 1/2 page of text for the summary cover page for each enclosure, for what you are sending ... along with your cover letter to The Donald.
Send the package by some sort of next day or 2nd day service such that you know it gets delivered promptly and you can easily track it.
Michael D. Cohen
Executive Vice President and
Special Counsel to Donald J. Trump
The Trump Organization
725 Fifth Avenue
New York, NY 10022
CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret)
http://www.protectourliberty.org
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@ObamaReleaseYourRecords, Anonymous, and puzo1moderator,
Thanks for the information. I am optimistic that Donald Trump will understand and appreciate the full and correct definition of "natural born citizen". I say this because he certainly comes across as loving this great nation of ours. And the natural born citizen requirement is very much about keeping this nation secure under the leadership of someone who is free of conflicting allegiances.
It's obvious Obama is not one of us and the DNC has shown they no longer deserve to be a major political party once Obmaa is removed from office BEFORE 2012 ..
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