Bernard Goldberg
So I’m on the O’Reilly Factor and I say if the Republicans don’t put Marco Rubio on their national ticket they need to get their heads examined. Such is my regard for the freshman senator from Florida.
What followed were emails from people who told me that Rubio can’t be vice president because the Constitution says only “natural born citizens” can be president or vice president, and he doesn’t fit the description.
Some went a tad further. Ray said I need to “wake up.” Gregor – who signed his name “American by Birth – Patriot by Choice” said my comment about Rubio was both “uneducated” and “foolish.” Edward said, “I’m sure you have read the Constitution but I urge you to reread Article I, Section II which gives the qualifications for president.” David simply stated that, “Neither of Marco Rubio’s parents were citizens of our country when he was born. Therefore, Marco Rubio is not a Natural Born Citizen of the United States.”
I’m always amused when I get letters from self-appointed “scholars” who have no doubt – none! – about how knowledgeable they are when it comes to constitutional law even though not one of them spent even 10 minutes in law school. How do I know? If they had, trust me, they would have mentioned it – IN CAPITAL LETTERS!
Many of these people, I suspect, have another agenda, which I’ll get to shortly. But first …
The Constitution does not define the term “natural born citizen.” And as Wikipedia explains, “scholars and politicians have not agreed as to whether U.S.-born children of non-citizens … qualify as natural born citizens.”
Also from Wikipedia: “The natural born citizen clause has been mentioned in passing in several decisions of the United States Supreme Court and lower courts, but the Supreme Court has never directly addressed the question of a specific presidential or vice-presidential candidate’s eligibility as a natural born citizen.”
So what did the Founders have in mind when they used that term they didn’t bother to define? Well, after the Constitution was ratified, some of the Founders opined about the meaning of the clause. Here’s what James Madison, one of the authors of the Constitution, had to say on the subject in a speech before the House of Representatives in May 1789: MORE HERE
From the comment section: MadeinAmerica --- Bernie, referencing Wikipedia is laughable! After all, anyone can add (and alter) information on the site. Furthermore, anyone who has an ounce of ‘detective’ in them knows fully well that the characters who run the website are cozy with Obama. This issue is NOT going away. Never will. In fact, many on the Left have awakened to the nightmare which has befallen our nation in not only failing to vet the imposter in the White House, but the countless criminal acts linked to him, including using a phony Social Security number for the last 25 years. Oh, and Congress attempted to change the ‘natural-born’ requirements to run for President no less than 8 times since 2003. Remember, the first ‘birthers’ were Democrats, who pulled a bait-and-switch by making John McCain the guinea pig. Changing the subject doesn’t change the fact that Obama is hiding his past from the public nor does it change the fact that his father was not a U.S. citizen, which disqualifies him from being President of the United States of America. Congress knows this, the Supreme Court knows it, the media knows it, the people know it. Justice Clarence Thomas stated they are avoiding this issue. Ever wonder why? Congress fears backlash from citizens, and especially the black community, if this issue is blown wide open. Ridiculing and mocking comes from those who fear the truth. The longer this issue is avoided, the angrier Americans become, and rightfully so. The truth has no agenda, Bernie.
Neil Turner --- Bernie, Bernie, Bernie;
Your smarmy and ‘learned’ words bear no resemblance to the truth, for the truth of the matter is that:
– The Constitution does define the meaning of ‘natural born Citizen’ – in Article 1, Section 8 wherein it says that Congress shall make all laws in accordance with the Law of Nations, and the Law of Nations (Section 212) says that ‘natural born Citizens are those born on the soil of parents who are themselves Citizens (of that soil);
– The Supreme Court, in Minor vs. Happersett, has also ruled specifically that a ‘natural born Citizen’ is one born on the soil of parents who are themselves Citizens;
– Anyone who quotes ‘Wikipedia’ as a resource for such a weighty decision concerning the Constitutionality of the a person seeking the Offices of President (or Vice President – see the last sentence of the 12th Amendment) is an ill-informed and uneducated fool;
– Anyone who accepts that blatantly forged Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth that the usurper posted on our White House website (that’s our White House, Bernie, not the usurper’s) as proof of anything other than an act of Treason is far dumber than a 5th Grader, for a 5th Grader can see that it is a forgery in an instant;
– And anyone in the media who does not publicly expose this act of Treason becomes him or her-self complicit in aiding and abetting Treason, or at the least, in Misprision of Felony Treason;
And now, Bernie, knowing now what you should have known before (you’ve been talking too much to Bill O’Bama O’Reilly), I hope you will stop beating the dead horse of Treason, stand up for our Constitution, and stop promoting constitutionally ineligible candidates for President or Vice President, lest you, too, be charged with Treason!
Ron Kean --- I have Natural Born Citizen Fatigue.
Bernard Goldberg --- me too, Ron. http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/who-is-a-natural-born-citizen/#comments
27 comments:
Goldberg you neocon Zion pig! I GUESS YOU REALLY LIKE YOUR ORGIES WITH O'REILLY DON'T YOU?!?
Go easy on Bernie. He gets paid by Fox to say things
like that. And no Fox, no book sales for him. And that is true of most on the right be it books or tea.
Bernie...you are simply wrong and I'm a big fan of yours. Natural Born Citizen is defined as born in this country by two American citizen parents. If you doubt this, then you would have to agree that two Mexicans can sneak into the country and if that very minute the mother delivers a baby, that baby can be President. Is that what you're advocating? It was the intent that the Commander in Chief be OF NOT FOREIGN BORN PARENTS except for those "grandfathered" in during the time the Constitution was being signed into law. Many of those men, our Founding Fathers, did have foreign born parents because the country was so young. Bernie, I love you, but you are wrong on this one. Really....you are.
senate resolution 511, bernie, now where is obama's resolution? Do you have #511 fatigue, you idiot.
Things are moving quickly now in a way no one could have foresaw - we don't have a year and we don't have 9 months and we barely have 5 months. We are now officially in emergency mode. Things are going to start to become written in stone politically this coming November, when a guy like Rubio may start becoming the actual vice presidential nominee. Once that happens, getting to the bottom of this constitutional issue will become, for all intents and purposes, entirely, 100% impossible.
We have less than 5 months. That is not speculation, that is political calendar fact.
We have to get the word out now. This second. Immediately and the best we can. Now that the establishment is trying to push Rubio into the mix, time is much, much shorter than we thought. We're on the cusp of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Get the word out, and that must, alas, include bashing Rubio on his natural born status at every possible opportunity. I like him, but he is the eligibility equivalent of the third party spoiler. And you can bet the left wing media knows it, too - that's why they aren't bashing him. He's the ticket they need to get Obama free and clear of the issue of his usurpation.
This is serious. We're almost out of time.
PG
Bernie Boy - try reading the US Supreme Court decision that is binding precedent (stare decisis) on court actions on the matter for the definition of natural born Ctizen as called out in the Constitution (and nevermind your so-called scholars and experts since tHey are almost undoubtedly Obama fans as are you).
The binding precedent is found in the 1875 case Minor v. Happersett and calls out that one born on US soil of two US citizen parents IS a natural born citizen.
No ifs, ands, or buts. You may as well announce that on Fox News if you're really interested in the truth!!
@lazarus2
Wrong laz - A pregnant Mexican mother could swim the Rio Grande, her back could still be wet from the Rio Grande and if she had the baby on the bank of the river on the United States side,the baby is a natural born citizen. Plain as day. The foundation of American exceptionalism is that America is an IDEA, not a blood ethnicity.
People that have come up with this de Vattel crapola need to get a life. You aren't going to get what you want. Why do you want to waste your energies on so much hate? How about using that energy to do something that would benefit another person? When is the last time any of you left your keyboards long enough to help an elderly neighbor carry in her groceries or visit an old folks home to provide a little company to a lonely person? Coming here and reading the comments posted makes me feel really sorry for you that you don't have any joy in your lives. I really pitty you fools.
Well, isn't this the same guy that says (most) birthers are idiots, nuts, stupid, off their meds, dummies, and deserve to be put in the Paranoid Ward of the Mental Institution? Go figure he would consider the natural born citizen issue "nonsense."
Rather than belittling those who would uphold their Constitution Bernard, why not do some genuine research like many patriotic Americans have done - something even Fox News hasn't had the integrity to do. An 1875 US Supreme Court decision did define "natural born citizen" and it is the Vattel definition well known to most of our founders. This question should have been settled long ago, but no one had the guts to question America's first half black president. This could be settled relatively quickly because there is already legal precedent for defining "natural born citizen". The real question is: Why has Congress and the Media NOT pressured the Supreme Court of the United States to answer this fundamental Constitutional question? Those who aid and abet an enemy of the United States are guilty themselves of treason.
citing wikipedia I was done reading. which side is he on again?
Bernie ( by the way, I have no idea who BERNIE IS,,,(besides another obama paid bernie), show me "YOUR" MORE THAN 10 MINUTES of LAW SCHOOL. You, are another paid idiot, slowly becomming a puppet, we suggest RED lipstick, and pink strings, because you obviously fell to, well I am sure you got it,,, low, very low levels, but then millions of dollars, or death threats will do wonders for that, yeah???? Why, YOU would be a spokesman, just tells us the level of depravity going on on OUR CAPITAL HILL. Yes, Bernie, WE THE PEOPLE DO "OWN" CAPITAL HILL. Enjoy your wealth, vacation, and whatever you get. becuz your day will be here SOON ENUF. AMERICA, with FLAGS FLYING UPSIDE DOWN NOW, will never support you,,, whoever you are.
So - his objection comes from the fact that the United States Constitution doesn't DEFINE 'Natural Born Citizen'?
It also doesn't define 'United' 'States' or 'Constitution'. Most of the words used in the Constitution are not defined in the Constitution. Is 'is' defined in the Constitution? Guess we better interpret the whole damn thing any way we choose because they didn't define every damn word they used.
Bernie Goldberg's first mistake, was appearing on O'Reilly. His second mistake - I suppose he can't help. But what he can do, is get his head examined.........
It is good news to hear the two-citizen parent issue being discussed in the media, for it is an argument that they cannot win. The US Supreme Court, in at least 5 cases (including Minor vs. Happersett), has never characterized a natural born citizen as being anything less than born in the country to citizen parents (plural).
Oh, and if Bernie is such a fan of Wikipedia, he might find it interesting to read what they said about the term "natural born citizen" as recently as 2008:
"It is generally agreed that these constitutional provisions mean anyone born on American soil to parents who are U.S. citizens is a "natural born citizen" eligible to someday become president or vice-president …”
But then Obama was elected President, and so Wikipedia had to change that definition.
Senate Resolution 511. Fraud commited by 100 Senators. Drawn up by the biggest fraud of them all. Barack Obama.
Don't be fooled kiddies. McCain can never be "Natural Born", was never born on a base, etc.
He IS in on the hijacking of America with his communist counterpart Obama though.
I vigorously agree with the demand that those who serve as President of the US of A meet the requirements of the office. I also vigorously demand that facts be used in arguments - not made-up stuff, as posted by Ron Kean, above.
Specifically, Kean's statement: "The Constitution does define the meaning of ‘natural born Citizen’ – in Article 1, Section 8 wherein it says that Congress shall make all laws in accordance with the Law of Nations" is false. (Should I have put that word in all caps?)
Here is the only statement in Art 1 Section 8 regarding the Law of Nations, found in the 9th provision: "To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations:"
We as country are NOT bound to conform to the Law of Nations in all of our law making. That does not rule out the Law of Nations as a valuable resource for determining certain issues that need some context to make them clear - like the definition of "natural born citizen".
Minor vs. Happersett, also cited by Kean, is a much better resource, IMO.
B.G. The Constitution does not define what the founders meant by "years of age" either. Maybe they meant dog years. Lets get Paris Hilton or Justin Bieber to run for POTUS.
Any old citizen will do? How about Arnold Schwrtzngr???
Give me a friggin break.
Neil Turner said the constitution article 1 -section 8 references 'law of nations' where does he get that? Richard
I've read all of Bernie's book and have always admired him. But he is wrong on the issue.
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2011/07/team-of-100-are-paid-to-publish.html
jim johnson birther smear campaign..
@Jesus
Jesus, if that is your belief you are as dumb as they come. That simple clause is in there to insure us as well as your dumb self are not taken over by a foriegn power.
I have to laugh at those that say let everyone into America as they couldn't even comprehend the consequences. All their lame cry baby asses wouldn't even have stand chance.
We would probably first have to come to the agreement that there is definately a difference between someone who is simply a "citizen" and a "natural born citizen", our founders definately wanted (and plainly) made reference to the fact that the two are not the same thing and made that distinction. We would also have to look at motive, obviously the main reason for our founders to use a unique term like "NATURAL BORN citizen" would be to qualify that the potential candidate is truely American and would have no foreign ties that would compromise him and/or our country.
from there, the next step would be to define what this differing term "natural born citizen" actually means since it is definately not simply a "citizen", to do that we would have to look at references and books from that time frame and before that our founders could have only used to form their beliefs and determinations on.
Once youve done that you will have your answer. Ive already seen this myself, and Mr Obama, (along with Mr. Rubio) do not meet the definition.
I dunno, but I do wonder....
Why would a Natural Born Citizen put us through what he has? Wonder why Congress has attempted MANY times to redefine the MEANING of NBC? I wonder why they need to? I wonder what the reason to even bring it to the floor. I mean why would they bring a decided and well known fact and waste thier time and our money to discuss a none issue? (other than they are useless creatures)
I wonder why they questioned John Mc Cain,and actually Eisenhower had to show Congress his BC. He had very real trouble getting his cuz he was born at home. BUT he did indeed get it! Back in the day before computers and OCR)even.
I wonder why we even have to think about this. I REALLY wonder HOW there can really be a thinking person that can honestly get on these boards of Patriots and say we are crazy! This is basic logic, a person with nothing to hide hides nothing! whoops who said that!?!?!?!
Just showing up with O'Really? and agreeing with him makes someone suspect to me. Mr. G. if there is no difference between "citizenship" and "natural born Citizen" and both of them are obtained by being born on American soil or equivalent ie a military base or protectorate, then every anchor baby "citizenized" by the misinterpretation of the XIVth amendment are eligible to be POTUS. Bernie, you ignorant
schmuck, that's why the "natural born Citizen" clause is required with citizenship to be eligible to be POTUS. "Jus soli" born to the soil, the USA and "jus sanguinis" born to the blood, American citizen parents. By the way, my daughter's high school failed papers of students who referenced Wikipedia...PAY ATTENTION. I think Rubio and Jindal are greatly admired conservative stars of the Republican party, but they ARE NOT NBCs and like the current faux POTUS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE to be President/Vice Pres. of the USA.
Why the hell is anybody still watching fox? Therein lies the problem. Please, boycott all known media. They are all lying.
Actually, you would moderate out of existence any comment that supports Obama's claim to be a natural born citizen, dishonestly claiming it to be "porn spam" and the like. As repulsive as I find Bernie Goldberg, he is correct. A natural born citizen is anyone born on U.S. soil, regardless of the citizenship of the parents.
So, anyone want almost absolute proof Bernie has an agenda?
Back in the natural born citizenship article, Bernie’s first paragraph is:
“So I’m on the O’Reilly Factor and I say if the Republicans don’t put Marco Rubio on their national ticket they need to get their heads examined. Such is my regard for the freshman senator from Florida.”
What he conveniently leaves out of the article is the fact he said:
“I would put him on the ticket if he was from Guam”
I guess Bernie's been outed.
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