BIG SHOCKER! The Nordyke long-form birth certificates are bogus!
*** Dr. Ronald Polland ***
The controversy was, "How could Obama's cert # be higher than the Nordyke Twins if they were born after him?"
Well, get ready for the biggest controversy of all.
On July 28, 2009, the Honolulu Advertiser ran a story about Eleanor Nordyke and a photo of her holding two "photostats" of the long-form birth certificates allegedly made for her twin daughters, Susan & Gretchen. Everyone has referred to these as examples of "genuine long-form birth certificates" and nobody ever thought to question their authenticity.
That is, until I came along and analyzed them.
Not only was Gretchen's birth certificate image a cut-and-paste job from Susan's, both of their certificate numbers (10637 & 10638) are more than a tad off the mark.
How far off? Watch the video. Also, stay tuned, this weekend, for the videos of my groundbreaking deconstruction and reconstruction of Obama's long-form birth certificate. See how the forged PDF, and its many anomalies, were actually made.
We Have a Criminal and Forger in the White House! 20110627 issue Wash Times Natl Wkly pg 5
50 comments:
"That is, until I came along and analyzed them."
...and the shameless self-promotion of Dr Ronald Polland continues.
EXPLOSIVE! Thanks for the great work.
The signatures overlay is slam dunk, irrefutable, proof of fraud. You try making your own signature exactly alike. It's impossible.
This explains a lot - especially the willingness of the State of Hawaii to participate in the cover up.
What happened to Sheriff Joe? When is ANYONE with the power that we the people gave to them going to do something about this?
The forms themselves line up right. This man is suggesting overlay of typed objects should line up. I used typewriters in the Navy to fill forms and usage of tabs and the space bar allows for these horizintal mismatches. The only vertical mismatch has to do with paper entry.I'd like to see the further evidence than a musical movement of overlays....
OMG It fits, and it all finally makes sense. Anyone with an iota of common sense should have some level of curiosity, and should be seeking answers.
3rd/12th
This video only proves one thing. Congress needs to launch an investigation with all documents from the Hawaii DOH.
If this guy is right about the numbers, he does not explain Eleanor Nordyke motives and background. Something is not right here. Eleanor Nordyke looks like a cookie baker, not a Photoshop expert.
RP has too much time on his hands, Had he actually done his research, he would have found out that in 1961, HI averaged over 2000 births a month. ALL births from all islands go through the same office. DUH! And people woinder how conspiracies get started. The Nordyke twins were born to a DOCTOR who probably kept the originals in a safe all these years. Another DUH!
So did they have computers in the 1960's that allowed you to cut and paste birth certificates?
Hahahahaha
I wonder how much money this woman recieved to implicate her twin daughters in such a horrid affair. I hope Susan and Gretchen speak up, or do they even exist? Who could do such a wretched thing? I am simply appalled.
Surrounding the capitol and arresting all of congress along with the illegal is the only way. Barry and congress know he's illegal. Their message is the same: "Whatcha gonna fucking do about it, you idiots?" So far, they're right. We don't know what the fuck we're doing. I know this to be true because everyday I wake up and that illegal sob is still wandering around free spending my money and trying to tell me what the fuck to do. Well, fuck you you illegal fucking bastard. And that goes to all of congress as well. This is one person here who knows what the fuck is going on and I don't like it. I sure as hell hope Orly knows who these people are before she gets in bed with them.
I'm still processing this, but my first response is to think that this may be proof of a conspiracy; a big one!
When Ron does the overlay and matching of the twins BC in the second half of his video, it reveals the BCs are obviously FAKE. Why are they fake? Too many typed elements match up perfectly....even the signatures match up.
My guess is that these twins BCs were presented by Obots to try and match the numbering sequence with the fake Obama BC.
Mrs. Nordyke was used by Obots as a willing stooge in the making and displaying of her daughter's fake BCs.
The certificate number of the WND female 'volunteer' BC which starts with 09XXX is probably a correct number for that week of Hawaii BC.
JUST HOW DEEP DOES THIS THING GO ??? BETTER CHECK WALLY AND THE BEAVERS BIRTH CERTIFICATES, THREATS, AND PAYOFFS TO WARD AND JUNE.............
I've always had a bad feeling in the back of my head about this being true. I remember that article where she talked about the racism against Obama. She needs to be interviewed again.
Butterdezillion thinks the long form that WND just presented is a forgery too!
http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2011/09/15/wnd-birth-certificate-forgery/
I really don't think any of the long forms are "forgeries." Obama's BC was tampered with, but this does not mean the information on it is "incorrect." What "birthers" need to focus on is the AMENDED birth certificate!
Uh, doesn't this revelation sort of shoot down Corsi' s and Orly's theories?
Have y'all seen this? The state of Hawaii is soooo covering for Obama.
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html
Does anyone have Polland's email address? I want to send him a scanned copy of by birth certificate so that he can prove it, too, is a forgery.
Seriously, I have long held doubts/suspicions about Polland/Polarik.
@Covert Operative at 10:31 a.m.:
My thoughts echo yours. I, too, remember reading something somewhere about this woman, who brings Fuddy Duddy to mind, sticking up for the Zero, which caused me to raise an eyebrow and wonder what gives. Now this explains it all. The puzzle is indeed slowly but surely coming together.
@AuntieMadder
When are folks going to realize that you cannot determine if a document is forged or altered unless you gain access to the ORIGINAL document.
1960's issued photostatic copies of a birth record don't amount to a hill of beans.
@Anonymous
Who said they were made in the 60's, just because of the date? I can type 1960 on my computer. Doean't mean that's when I did it.
Pollard's video needs a lot more verification to be accepted as valid. The signatures at the bottom of these BCs are different on each document,, as far as I can see at this time.
@Anon 12:20 AM
Let's see here...
"The Hawaii State Health Department recently complied with a request by President Barack Obama for certified copies of his ORIGINAL Certificate of Live Birth,"
"“We hope that issuing certified copies of the ORIGINAL Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawaii,”
"I have seen the ORIGINAL records"
"On April 22, 2011, President Obama sent a letter to Director Fuddy, requesting two certified copies of his ORIGINAL Certificate of Live Birth"
"On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama‟s request, Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the ORIGINAL Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies."
What about the AMENDED birth certificate?
Now, here's the most important paragraph:
"Director Fuddy made an exception for President Obama by issuing copies of the ORIGINAL
birth certificate. The departmental policy to issue only computer-generated
Certifications of Live Birth remains in effect for all birth records that have been
computerized. Director Fuddy, in her capacity as Health Director, has the legal
authority to approve the process by which copies of birth records are made."
Obama had to get an "exception" because his ORIGINAL is a SEALED document. Case closed.
In the clip, Polland claims that residents of Hawaii, with the help of complicit state and local govt agencies, committed welfare fraud on a mass scale. Because I read in 2008 at Texas Darlin's blog something about Hawaii, during their early years of statehood, handing out like candy COLBs that listed birth in Hawaii to new arrivals to Hawaii from other countries so that they could claim US citizenship and receive all of the benefits of US citizens, I'll buy Polland's claim but have two questions, the second one being a multi-part question.
1) Do we know, or is it possible to find out, if Mrs Nordyke and/or either/both of her twins were, as minors, ever welfare recipients?
2) If Mrs Nordyke claimed giving birth to twin daughters in Hawaii in 1961 in order to be eligible for welfare benefits, wouldn't the birth certificates of the twins have been issued to her before she applied for welfare? If the twins do actually exist but weren't born in HI, then the documents may have been issued in the 18 years after Aug 4, 1961. If the twins never existed except on paper for the purpose of welfare fraud, and assuming the HI DOH was complicit, wouldn't the HI DOH have issued the documents fresh and new, right off the typewriter, in Aug 1961 as if Mrs Nordyke had truly given birth to twin daughters at Kapiolani Maternity and Gyno...blahblahblah in HI on August 4, 1961? That would make the documents, although fraudulent, authentic (not forged), official 1961 HI DOH birth certificates.
@Trial
You'd think that since October of 2008 when the state of Hawaii issued its first statement regarding Barack Obama's birth certificate that someone would have inquired as to whether there was an "amended" birth certificate.
Access to any and all of Obama's birth records can be gained by "an order of a court of competent jurisdiction."
Hawaii Revised Statutes 338-18(b).
A subpoena, however, is not a court order. A warrant IS a court order.
@Anon 2:41 PM
Time to contact the Sheriff.
Is this really ron polland video?
Is this someone trying to create more confusion on the issue?
The nordyke's twins bc is black, original for that time period.
You never see the whole bc in the video, why?
It could be a scam video?
I don't believe this video alone.
Try to discredit all bc's, call them all fake.
This is a scam just before election time to fool the masses into voting for the fraud again.
Let me ask this Question then: If Obama got a special "exception" to get 2 copies of his alleged "Original", then why did it have many layers, and different sized letters, and a smiley face in Onaka's signature? The Fake Long Form could have been created years ago, say when he first became a Senator, and the copies of the so called "Original", is just a copy of the fake created earlier, since someone behind the scenes already had picked O to be the next pResident. The dark cabal plans ahead you know. Has anyone found ANYONES original LFBC in Hawaii, to see if the smiley face is in Onaka's name? Maybe the Birther Summit could pay 1,000.00 to each person who would produce their original LFBC from the year 1961, and cut it off after getting a few originals to check these out, and they may have to go door to door. What a task, but I bet it would produce something.
@True Patriots
My theory is the birth certificate copy was tampered with ON PURPOSE to make people focus solely on that document. The information on it may be "correct."
@Anonymous
The Nordyke Twins PHOTOSTATIC COPIES appear black when photographed because they were produced pre-Xerox.
http://theobamafile.com/_images/NordykeTwinsBirthcertificate.jpg
@TRUE PATRIOTS (NAVY VET)
What you are drawing attention to comes from the Adobe Photoshop optimization process when a jpg image is created and scanned for internet posting.
The only people who have seen the original, hard copy Obama birth record are the former Director of Health, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the Registrar of Vital Statistics, Dr. Alvin T. Onaka and the current Director of Health, Loretta Fuddy plus whoever made the original photocopies of the original birth record.
The legal hurdle is that under the "Full Faith and Credit" clause of the Constitution (Article IV, Section 1), whatever record the state of Hawaii says is an authentic birth record of that state will be accepted by every other state and the federal government.
Obots are funny!
@Trial
If the original was sealed only a court order would get it opened.
There is no 1961 hospital generated birth certificate for Obama. If there was they would not have released two phony birth certificates. Or was it 3 Obuttheads? Didn't the Obuttheads claim on another thread that Obama ordered two different short forms from Hawaii? One for scanning and one for getting on the ballot? Which is it Obuttheads?
@Anonymous Not at all. Anyone can download soetoro's birth certificate and with just a little knowledge of computer graphics and fonts, easily see it is fake. There is no question about that. If this is indeed true, this adds to this conspiracy. There is evidently a whole lot more to this than we know now.
@Anon 4:16
It was already opened at the request of Obama. They gave him an exception.
@Anonymous
I don't know that it could help him win re-election, but I agree that this is disinformation, created and disseminated to confuse.
@Trial
If the bc was sealed Obama would have to go to court and get an order to unseal it.
@Anonymous
Hospitals in Hawaii don't generate birth certificates. Hospitals send birth information to the Department of Health (in 1961 it was called "the Health Bureau.") And the Health Department generates a "Certificate of Live Birth."
The state of Hawaii says that they have Obama's orginal birth certificate "on file." And they provide a link to the Obama internet posted birth certificate from the State of Hawaii Health Department web site.
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html
@Anon 7:16 PM
Barack Obama is (supposedly) the President of the United States. In one interview, one of the members of the HDOH stated one of the reasons they were allowing him to have a copy of the original long form was due to that very fact.
Now, a question for you, what is your handle on Fogbow? Why are you scared?
The Obots are very busy tonight. Guess what Obots we don't give a shit what Hawaii says. They have been caught in lie after lie!
www.FOGBLOW.COM
A couple of thoughts on this:
Were the Nordyke twins births announced in the newspaper that had Obama's birth announcement? The dad was a Doctor, (I believe that is the case, and he delivered the twins), it would seem like the birth of his twins would be important enough to announce. Also, could the fact that there was no Doctor's name, (other than the Dad who delivered the twins), have had anything to do with why this was the BC released to "prove" Obama's BC, which had not been seen at that time, except for the short-form, was legit? Perhaps at that time the Obots had not decided on a Doctors name to use if they were forced to fake a long-form BC and preferred only to have this Doctors name revealed, who may or may not have been someone who regularly delivered babies at Kapi'olani hospital?
One reason to create fakes is so that when someone bases their proffesional opinion on them as legit, their credibility could easily be destroyed when proven to be wrong.
The FBI has also stated in a report that unless you see the original document, because of all the fraud and differences between states, the thing is pretty much useless.
@John Doe Sr.
The Nordyke announcements appeared in the same newspaper - but on a different day.
The Nordyke announcements appeared in the 8/16/61 edition. The Obama announcement appeared in the 8/13/61 edition.
I have printouts of the announcements from the microfilm of the Honolulu Advertiser that I personally viewed and obtained at the CA State Library in Sacramento.
I have always thought it was strange that Mrs. Nordyke and Madelyn Dunham met on a cruise to Tahiti in 2002. There has been suspicion about the connection - so Dr Ronald Polland's claim that 'Everyone has referred to these as examples of "genuine long-form birth certificates" and nobody ever thought to question their authenticity' is a bit over stated (what a shock, huh?).
Regardless, there are other HI long form BC's out there. We don't need the Nordyke BC's to be real or fake. It could prove a wider conspiracy if people really want to go that route.
I don't.
Honestly, the guy seems more interested in creating a name for himself so he can impress chicks. Can't say I blame the guy - the angle has probably been working for him - but I'm not going to help feed that massive ego by blindly applauding.... nothing.
@John Doe Sr.
Yes the Nordyke have a birth announcement. It wasn't in the same announcement as Obama's but several days later.
The Nordyke's father was a doctor but not the one who delivered them.
Sorta like a person named Lucas Smith?
@Anonymous 9:48 AM
Lucas Smith? Isn't he the "genius obot" forger I've heard so much about? Hasn't Foggy worked with him before?
@Trial
Wrong fake Kenya BC. The Bomford BC was sent by Foggy to Orly. Although where he got it from is debatable.
The Lucas Smith fake Kenya BC is the one with the mispelled name of the Chief Administrator, who wasn't the chief administrator at the time the BC was dated.
I know it can get confusing.
@Anon 3:55 PM
I heard Lucas Smith made both. I notice you stated "Foggy sent" but you conveniently left out who made the Bombford to begin with.
Interesting interview excerpt from the Post and E-mail:
"Before we talked to Horiuchi, Jesse Koike, the point person for anyone who questions these things, came over and I questioned why I couldn’t get the long form, said, “That is the long form,” and I said, “Well, if that’s the long form, what do you call this?” and I showed him Obama’s, the forgery. And I said, “If you’re president of the United States, you can have a copy of the long form, but the rest of us have to pound sand.”
So then he said, “There was a court order so that would be released.”
Wait, there WAS a court order?
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