Farrar, Roth, Lax, Judy, MacLaren v. Obama, Kemp, GA Democratic Party: Loretta Fuddy(Hawaii DOH) Served Subpoena Signed By Judge Michael Mailhi For Obama's Original Birth Certificate and 1961 Microfiche Roll - SUBPOENA HERE
Loretta Fuddy(Hawaii DOH) Subpoena For Obama Birth Certificate and 1961 Microfiche Roll
Obama's SSN Fails E-Verify System - 17 Oct 2011 Wash Times National Wkly edition - pg 5
191 comments:
OH YEAH, NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TAKIN' ABOUT!
Well, hello Fogbum OBots. What do we see here? We see a court ordered subpeana by a JUDGE.
Now, what were you silly clowns always yapping about? Oh yeah, what don't you 'Birthers' NOT understand? That's not a "Court ordered subpeana!"
It certianly looks like we have one here you Commie OBots. LoL.
The answer to this subpoena will be the same answer as it was the last three times Dr. Taitz asked. First, there must be a valid subpoena, issued out of the proper court. Dr. Taitz failed at this before in Taitz v. Astrue. Second, it must be properly served on Loretta Fuddy. Again, Dr. Taitz has failed in this aspect before, causing her multiple trips to Hawaii.
And third, Hawaii will not comply until Dr. Taitz shows the required interest under Hawaii RSA 338-18.
Should this new subpoena actually be served, expect that the State of Hawaii will respond with a motion to quash and the motion will be granted.
"Well, hello Fogbum OBots. What do we see here? We see a court ordered subpeana by a JUDGE."
No, we see one that was filled in from an online form with the judge's signature already printed on it. The judge has never actually seen this thing.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.osah.ga.gov%2Fdocuments%2Fsubpoenas%2Fsubpoena.doc&ei=Nq_mTqWRN7OGiQKLmq2LBw&usg=AFQjCNGahG6PPqJ3t6PFNuWKju-440m4IQ&sig2=__GHW3HyJAwP1uejWapFHQ
First, there must be a valid subpoena, issued out of the proper court
>>>it looks valid, signed by a deputy JUDGE, from
a real court
Second, it must be properly served on Loretta Fuddy
>>>looks like it was served properly
And third, Hawaii will not comply until Dr. Taitz shows the required interest under Hawaii RSA 338-18.
>>>Georgia law trumps Hawaii law, and when there is a state to state issue, it goes to the SUPREME COURT......again
@Anonymous
Should this new subpoena actually be served, expect that the State of Hawaii will respond with a motion to quash and the motion will be granted.
Well duuh OBot. The Commies (like you) in Hawaii don't even follow their own Hawaiian laws.
Honesty is not their strong suit.
First: Georgia courts have no jurisdiction over Hawaii agencies or Hawaii residents. You need a Hawaiian court for that.
Second: There is no indication that it has been served at all.
Third: There is no state-to-state issue. The state of Georgia is not a party and it will not be asserting any state's right vs. the state of Hawaii.
Don't know where someone gets the idea that Georgia law "trumps" Hawaii law. Probably from Orly Taitz, but that is wrong.
I have spent no less then 3000 hrs following obama.. And the last thing obama is.. Is American. The OBOTS know they will be rounded up and alot of them put in prison for high treason against America. this is why everyone needs to be prepaired to defend our country from these pos commies and the muslims that will show who they really support in AMerica.. Obama.. not the constitution..
@Anonymous
Anon 6:07pm (aka Justin Shilo aka Fogbow)
Yes, HI will refuse to satisfy the subpeona. Which is, as you know, contempt of court. Problem is that Georgia is a Republican State.
Signed by the judge makes it a bit more difficult for you Obots to refute. The noose is getting tighter and it is easy to tell you are getting very scared. Keep piling on your talking points it only shows us how desparte you all are to keep the truth from coming out.
This "signed by the judge" thing has been claimed before by followers of Dr. Taitz. Dr. Taitz has prepared 3 subpoenas to Ms. Fuddy in the past and not a single one has succeeded.
I am just pointing out the obvious here. This subpoena doesn't scare me and it sure as heck won't scare the officials of the State of Hawaii.
Face it, Orly Taitz is incompetent. If people want to get anywhere with these legal skirmishes, they ought to pay a lawyer who knows what they are doing.
@RS
Hey there, Redd. Did you know that the Georgia court's subpoena and enforcement powers end at the state line? That's about 4,400 air miles short of Honolulu.
It's so much fun to watch y'all birthers get excited about an invalid subpoena.
You are in for a world of disappointment on this.
Can you sue the state of GA to produce the Birth Cerficate to validate Obama's identity?
I do not trust Orly Taitz. Overall she comes on as a carnival barker and is likely a plant. For many years those seeking to get to the pink underbelly of this kept her at arm's length. She has done more to add dis-reputation to what is an absolutely honest question and argument.
hey there golly, how fer is it from kenya yo.
@Anonymous
Hey there, Redd. Did you know that the Georgia court's subpoena and enforcement powers end at the state line? That's about 4,400 air miles short of Honolulu.
Hey Fogblower, ... What is it with you guys? Rinses and repeat over and over again on the same thread. LoL.
See a few post above yours from poster,
"I Tell it Like it is said...
(aka Justin Shilo aka Fogbow)" @ 6:34 PM
Gives you the answer.
@RS
Problem is, Redd, that it doesn't matter how Republican the state of Georgia is -- it's civil practice act does not allow for out-of-state subpoenas. Georgia cannot reach beyond its own borders, so the subpoena cannot be enforced. It is ineffective. Unenforceable. Loretta Fuddy is free to ignore this POS paper, and there will be no legal consequences whatever.
But enjoy your fantasy before the bubble bursts!
Obots can't stand the truth.....what a fine bunch of Barry butt-lickers they are.
Why do the Obama lovers not just request that everything for their Messiah be presented for all to see since they seem to know he is 100% legit and running the most transparent regime in history?
The only purpose the Bots serve is make it that much sweeter when Barry The One becomes Barry the Inmate.
"Yes, HI will refuse to satisfy the subpeona. Which is, as you know, contempt of court. Problem is that Georgia is a Republican State."
Georgia will never attempt to enforce this subpoena. Judge Malihi has no jurisdiction over Loretta Fuddy and when that is pointed out to him, he will agree.
He did not sign anything. This was a preprinted form off of the internet with his signature. Anyone of us could fill one out and mail it to Loretta Fuddy. It wouldn't mean a thing under the laws of Georgia, Hawaii or the United States of America.
Go ahead and call everyone who understands this a commie Obot, but that won't change the outcome. I guess we'll see when Orly Taitz makes another useless trip to Hawaii with the dollars she begs for on her website.
@I Tell it Like it is
State of Georgia can tell a candidate to go scratch if they refuse to comply to federal election questions.
@RS
Administrative Rules of Procedure
Chapter 616-1-2
616-1-2-.19 Subpoenas; Notices to Produce. Amended.
(4) A subpoena may be served at any place within Georgia ...
Fees and mileage shall be paid to the recipient of a subpoena in accordance with O.C.G.A. § 24-10-24.
(5) Once issued, a subpoena may be quashed by the Administrative Law Judge ...
The Administrative Law Judge may require the party issuing the subpoena to advance the reasonable cost of producing the documents or objects.
Costs? Hmmmmmm, I wonder how much this is going to cost Orly. Better reach for your checkbook, Redd.
"State of Georgia can tell a candidate to go scratch if they refuse to comply to federal election questions."
Which candidate has refused to answer federal election questions in Georgia? Where can I find a copy of the federal election questions that are asked in Georgia?
@A Real Lawyer Who Can Read and Understand the Georgia Civil Practice Act
it's civil practice act does not allow for out-of-state subpoenas. Georgia cannot reach beyond its own borders, so the subpoena cannot be enforced. It is ineffective. Unenforceable. Loretta Fuddy is free to ignore this POS paper, and there will be no legal consequences whatever.
Has the state of Hawaii or their courts ever honored an out-of-state, and court ordered subpoena before Commie Obama and his allies came on the scene to cause this fiasco?
Or is it only now Hawaii has chosen to NOT [likely] honor a legitimate court ordered subpoena because this is about Obama's BS past?
The answers to these two question would highly likely paint Hawaii as being hypocrites.
@RS
What special education school did you attend? They graduated you despite your reading comprehension problem.
"616-1-2-.19 Subpoenas; Notices to Produce. Amended.
(4) A subpoena may be served at any place within Georgia ..."
ANY. PLACE. WITHIN. GEORGIA.
ANY. PLACE. WITHIN. GEORGIA.
ANY. PLACE. WITHIN. GEORGIA.
Go ask your mommy what that means.
Speaking of subpoenas, why hasn't Sheriff Joe issued one?
"Has the state of Hawaii or their courts ever honored an out-of-state, and court ordered subpoena before Commie Obama and his allies came on the scene to cause this fiasco?"
No, the state of Hawaii has never honored an out-of-state and court ordered subpoena that was not issued under a Constitutionally valid "long-arm" statute in the other state. As "Real Lawyer" has pointed out, there is no "long-arm" statute in the Georgia Administrative Court rules. An Administrative Court subpoena may only be served in Georgia.
@A Real Lawyer Who Can Read and Understand the Applilcable Statutes
I see you ignored the questions. LoL.
Go ask your mommy what that means.
Naah Obum. You rinse and repeat Bozo.
@RS
Asked and answered.
You just don't like the answers.
No, the state of Hawaii has never honored an out-of-state and court ordered subpoena that was not issued under a Constitutionally valid "long-arm" statute in the other state.
Really? You FogBlowers always have selective reading problems.
I'll repeat (see the bold words ;-) ) like you bums love to do ad nauseum.
Me from the previous post - "Has the state of Hawaii or their courts ever honored an out-of-state, and court ordered subpoena before Commie Obama and his allies came on the scene to cause this fiasco? "
To repeat OBozo.
"...or their courts ever honored an out-of-state, and court ordered subpoena before...."
So the Hawaiian courts have always ignored out-of-state legitimate subpoenas even when they are brought before them?
Suuuuure OBot... you just know. LoL!
Hey you bunch of Obot idiots, this is about VETTING a FEDERAL candidate for PRESIDENT. What about that did you NOT understand??? How else do they vet a candidate if said candidate refuses to send in their documents? DUH Get your head out of your butt and use it for logical...nevermind that's not possible.
Hold on Patriots, it's going to get interesting!!! The first of many to come! :))
New subpoena with Judge Malihi's signature and seal: http://www.scribd.com/doc/75527814/Georgia-Subpoena
@Anonymous
Each State is sovereign, if this is true Hawaii is compelled to produce the documents by the law of nations.
We know Hawaii violates the law of nations by stating Obama is a natural bon citizen.
To repeat:
The Hawaiian courts have always ignored out-of-state subpoenas when they are not based on a Constitutionally-valid long-arm statute.
If there is no Constitutionally-valid long-arm statute, the subpoena is not "legitimate" and cannot be enforced.
@AR925
Duh. Georgia doesn't require a candidate to "send in their documents." So WTF are you babbling about?
What candidate refused to send in their documents for vetting after being requested to by a state election authority?
Why dont u obot obama ass lickin fuck wats go post ur shit as Salon or the Huffington Post...NO one here gives a shit about ur ignorant comments u traitorous assholes!!!
It cracks me up how all of the homosexuals and welfare queens come out of the woodwork when Orly's name is mentioned on here. What's also hilarious is how every one of them has become a lawyer in the last 2 years. You people are truly pathetic, sticking up for a man that was and never could be eligible because he was born a dual citizen, a man that is intentionally destroying this nation. And for what? Simply because you have white guilt. Liberalism is a civilization killer, it needs to be put down asap or we're done.
Think Our Dear Leader will encourage Hawaii to comply with the subpoena so as to put the matter to rest once and for all? Neither do I, not when transparency is a foreign concept to him.
"I do not trust Orly Taitz. Overall she comes on as a carnival barker and is likely a plant. For many years those seeking to get to the pink underbelly of this kept her at arm's length. She has done more to add dis-reputation to what is an absolutely honest question and argument."
Anon, good observations. I agree. I don't see her name on this...we may have a chance. Even if she isn't a plant, which I think she is too, she is a reckless lawyer. How can she make some of the stupid mistakes she makes?
Those of us pointing out that this subpoena is invalid have done it by referring to the law and facts. Those of you defending it have resorted to calling us silly clowns, commies, idiots, ass licking fuk wats, homosexuals and welfare queens.
With these language and debate skills, it's no surprise that birther lawsuits have failed more than 70 times.
I thought it was liberals that were supposed to use insult and ridicule tactics? Isn't that what you guys claim Alinksy taught the left?
Don't tell me you've been reading his book too!
"Those of you defending it have resorted to calling us silly clowns, commies, idiots, ass licking fuk wats, homosexuals and welfare queens."
Is it not true that a great many, much more than the sampling of the general population, of the Obots are homosexual? And is it not true that part of the homos "lovemaking" is indeed ass licking? and has not the Communist Party USA endorsed the Kenyan...uh yes, and guaranteed no matter what happens BHO will carry 100% of the welfare queen vote.
Telling the truth wasn't in Alinsky's play book. Oh that "silly clowns" comment though was a little over the top. Sticks and stones though Bot...toughen up.
@Anonymous
Obots who spam this website are congenital liars and are rewarded with just derision. It's no wonder why.
With these language and debate skills, it's no surprise that birther lawsuits have failed more than 70 times.
And none of the courts have honestly looked at the facts or merits of the cases that were before them. Instead, they first and last look to see how they can avoid the issue. It's the same phenomena that controls the Republicans - the liberal Main Stream Media making the courts and Repubs afraid of their own shadows that is being used here. It is the trump card. It is Alinsky tactics on a national scale.
I've asked the questions which have been dishonestly avoided by the OBots.
I thought it was liberals that were supposed to use insult and ridicule tactics? Isn't that what you guys claim Alinksy taught the left?
So who are you Anon? I'd bet the house you are an Alinksy FogBlower using some reverse psycho. LoL.
Telling the truth wasn't in Alinsky's play book. Oh that "silly clowns" comment though was a little over the top
I've dealt with these OBots for a long time here. Much of there Alinsky tactics are clownish so they are clowns.
WOW, Obots, I have not seen them out in force for a while. When things get hot they appear like shit after a hard night out.....They float around in the toilet, then we get to push the handle. Bye Bye Obots, and take your gay, homo, Kenyan with you.
@RS - the rules of jurisdiction were in place long before Obama was born. These are the same laws that prevent someone from dragging you across the country to defend yourself in a court action. To be subject to a state's jurisdiction, you must have some actual connection to it. Loretta Fuddy has no connection to Georgia. She doesn't live there, work there or pay taxes there.
I have honestly answered your questions, but you don't like the answers. At least you don't seem to be deluded into thinking this latest "subpoena" will be successful, even if you refuse to see the reasons why it will not.
Is it just me, or does this Fuddy person look like she blew her brains out on acid in the '70's? Just saying.
@Anonymous
@RS - the rules of jurisdiction were in place long before Obama was born. These are the same laws that prevent someone from dragging you across the country to defend yourself in a court action.
I have honestly answered your questions, but you don't like the answers. ....
We all understand that state court jurisdictions do not cross state lines.
BUT part of the original question included have the Hawaiian courts, since their existence, have ever honored legitimate out-of-state court ordered subpoenas?
You Fogblowers don't know and you don't want to answer it.
I've had this conversation with you Foggys before awhile back.
You OBots want to ignore the fact that there are mechanisms for states to honor out-of-state subpoenas.
If Hawaii does not respond to Georgia and provide Obama's original birth documents, then Georgia will be forced to keep Obama off of their ballots. They will not be able to verify Obama's eligibility as now required by Georgia law.
If Georgia can not place Obama on a ballot, neither can any other state. As partners in this Constitutional Republic - AKA union - every state is obligated to clearly and openly verify the eligibility of any candidate from their state and to make all information related to the verification or disqualification of any such candidates readily available to the other member states and to the people. (A candidates birth state has this obligation because it is the issuer and the keeper of the candidates official records.)
This obvious obligation is directly in line with keeping our mutual pact to provide for the common defense which is exactly why the "natural born citizen" requirement for POTUS was inserted in the language of our Constitution.
Any state that knowingly and willfully violates or threatens the security of any or all of the other states is, by common sense and natural law, subject to sanctions and expulsion from the union or loss of state-hood for breach of contract and treason.
It's time for Hawaii's officials to stop playing children's games with the honor of their state and our national security. And it's way past time for the other states to speak up and demand full disclosure; without which, they have no cause to place Obama on a ballot or respect his putative presidency.
Currently, the only verifiable information held by all of the states is: Obama's admission that he was born under British jurisdiction, supreme court binding precedent in Minor v Happersett and other supreme court cases and historical records that a natural born citizen is one born in the country to citizen parents (They even have Obama's self-incriminating stipulation to this fact in SR511), two forged birth certificates, a doctored selective service registration, and an illegal social security number (maybe several) which failed E-Verify.
For any State official to put Obama's name on a ballot is a clear act of treason and should be treated as such. Instead, every state official should be seeking Obama's immediate removal from office, the complete nullification of his illegal presidency, and a rapid return to the Constitution that they all pledged to protect and defend.
"BUT part of the original question included have the Hawaiian courts, since their existence, have ever honored legitimate out-of-state court ordered subpoenas?"
They have, but this is not one of them.
To be a legitimate out-of-state court ordered subpoena, the other state has to have in personam jurisdiction.
"If Hawaii does not respond to Georgia and provide Obama's original birth documents, then Georgia will be forced to keep Obama off of their ballots. They will not be able to verify Obama's eligibility as now required by Georgia law."
Georgia is not asking for a response. Georgia already decided to put Obama on the primary ballot pursuant to the elections statutes of the State of Georgia.
"We all understand that state court jurisdictions do not cross state lines."
Then perhaps you can explain that to Orly Taitz.
I try really hard to not hit the publish button after I write what I really think is wrong with Obots. I do not wish to enter a pissing contest with someone who can not discuss facts without resorting to attacking. So I shall refrain again,
I do have questions that haev been asked numerous times in numerous ways, 1.IF he has nothing to hide WHY is he hiding it? 2.Why did he say he was going to have the most transparent administration and then turn around and refuse to disclose the proof and the whole bunch just refuse to cooperate? 3. Wouldn't you sleep better if you actually could prove one single story of his?
I do not see how anyone can defend an empty suit. I certainly can not tell you where or when or really even if he was born because I have not seen a verifiable BC. You say we have, I say it looks like a second grader threw it together. The seals are wrong and on and on.Had he not been so anxious to seal everything recorded about himself, maybe we would not be looking so suspicously at what he FINALLY, after way too much pressure, let someone ho;ld up and say it was his. He never even held it! The inauguration was fudged and THAT was the icing on the cake for anyone who had doubts. Justice Roberts can not recite the Oath properly? I don't believe that.4. Why no cameras when it was given again that evening? Why did it not start on time? Constitution says it has to be done at Noon. Noon came and they had a singer. TOO much. too many questions and not one single answer with credible truth. Please explain each point. I really would like to understand how you can believe that there is no need for answers from him. It seems you just blindly follow your leader and I wish I could believe too. I wish my country was not being destroyed before my very eyes. I wish we all were not so divided. He is causing this.
Bots, Fogbow, are you saying GA has no authority to have Fuddy duddy appear in GA?
So if someone is relative to a law suit, if they are from another state they do not need to show?
What makes you believe this is not real? It seems to be notorized. It looks official. Txe Judge used a stamp for his signiture, is that illegal?
@Anonymous
They have, but this is not one of them.
So one of you Fogblower Anons decided to answer the question that you guys "honestly" ignored.
To be a legitimate out-of-state court ordered subpoena, the other state has to have in personam jurisdiction.
Oh OK, we will take your OBot word for it. /complete sarcasm LoL. We do see Obama's name leading in the suit.
@Anonymous
Then perhaps you can explain that to Orly Taitz.
Not Orly. You tell the judge who signed the subpoena OBot. Maybe he doesn't know what he is doing. I'll take OBots are wrong for $1,000 Alex. Or maybe Hawaii may do the right thing for once.
BREAKING NEWS
Georgia Election Challenge
New subpoena signed by Judge Malihi!
http://www.scribd.com/doc/75527814/Georgia-Subpoena
@TheEuropean
Hey Fogbum. That FogBlowing and bogus joke subpoena has already been posted on this thread by one your comrades.
Let us all revisit the statute that governs the Hawaiian vital records:
"§338-18 Disclosure of records.
...(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:
...
(9) A person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction; ...."
-End Snip-
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrs2006/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.HTM
The operative phrase here is "Competent jurisdiction."
Oooh OBots, lets see now. It doesn't say that the Hawaiian courts as being the only "competent jurisdiction" BUT by a court from a competent jurisdiction to issue a court ordered subpeana.
I'd say Taitz has found a judge from a "competent jurisdiction" for her court ordered subpoena to compel Hawaii to comply.
He sure does not act like a true American! This man in the oval office is a citizen of the world and wants America evrybodys's land and that there should be One World, One Order under God (Obama).
Who is He??????,
You are assuming the Obots from Fogblow or where ever actually give a damn who Obama really is or whether he is Constitutionally eligible.
They do not.
Forget the lawyer-ese the Obots spout, they cannot be so stupid they cannot see the same things you see which make it certain Obama is a fraud, a made-up person, a puppet. They know that as well as we do but they do not care.
Either they agree with what Obama, his enablers and puppet-masters are doing to America and want it to continue, or they are being paid by the regime to post their inane comments.
You are trying to understand the Fogblow actions using common sense. That cannot be done.
@Anonymous
Ga. Sec. of state has told Head of Board of Elections to demand proof of eligibility. My conclusion is if HI deos not show positive proof of BC he will not be on Georgia's Presidential ballot for 2010.
Its about time our elected officals step in and bring this thing to sending the USURPER back to kenya.
@RS
FOGBLOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.birthersummit.org/fogblow
HHHHHMMMMM, It would be very easy for Hawaii to hand over information requested, yet they don't.....why?? If they did, it would lend credibility to Obama's transperancy promises. Each time he refuses, he becomes more suspect, and the truth in the end always comes out.
Why are the boxes not checked inside but to the left? Does this leave it open to ignore as no boxes are checked?
Man, this article really has pushed the Obots buttons and they are "but but but...." all over this comment section; trying to be coherent but still just sounding like knee-jerk reaction.
Fellow Patriots,
Do not answer a fool according to his folly, lest you become like him (Prov. 26:4). Even when muslim Obama is proven to be the great Imposter, Liar and Deceiver that he is, the Obots will return to their vomit (2 Pet. 2:22)
@John Doe Sr.
says "what a fine bunch of Barry butt-lickers "
Here's the bunch
Mitzi Torri is an attorney that works for the IRS, so hopefully she will not abuse her power and start requesting audits on the citizens that want the laws to be enforced regarding obama. She is on linked in and facebook.
Fogbow and Politijab Adminstrator is Justin Shilo.
Mari aka MMM is Mia Gallagher a resident of D.C. Her father was an attorney and was disbarred for corruption. She works at Morgan Stanley.
She is dating Realist
Realist aka Jack Ryan – not 100% sure yet
Believe is Matt Bryan who lives in Alberquerque, NM and is supposedly a court reporter. where does he get all of the money to purchase all of the court documents unless he is using a courts system illegally to retrieve documents off of pacer.
Tes – Theresa Rollin – makes the birther calendar on Fogbow and is a Democrat lobbyist.
And they are surely joining Justin as Anon and "A Real Lawyer"
@bn
So you think Orly is a plant and makes too many mistakes.
Let me say that she is definitely NOT A PLANT. I have done much work with her and have met state reps with her. She is doing this mostly alone because too many cowards are afraid of being called a name. Yes, that is pathetic.
Do you see how many cases she has going? This in addition to trying to keep her business going.
Heck, how many people make keying mistakes when adding a comment. If it weren't for Orly this issue would be no where near as out there as it is. THAT IS WHY THE OBOTS TARGET HER SO MUCH.
when will you hear from donald trump or any other camera hungry republican that zerObama has NEVER PRODUCED any documents, short form or long form, other than to the two potheads that photographed the supposed short form. i have never been able to get away with referring to supposed online pictures or pdfs when asked to produce my passport or birth certificate.
"You are required to attend from time to time and day to day....."
This is almost as bad as the FAKE Long and short BC.
Nice try Foggy.
@RS
Well RS,
it is surely a joke. But Mrs. Taitz subpoena is as much bogus as this one. Both are made from blank forms. No judge has ever seen ore even approved Mrs. Taitz´ subpoena, which is as worthless - but not so funny - as the subpoena I cited.
Sincerely
Your European
Is an out of state subpeona recognized?
When a contract is signed it states that any legal action necessary by the party who wrote the contract will take place IN THE STATE OF (contract writers state).
If the other party filing the contract does not fulfill the contract, or wishes to sue the party who wrote the contract, the must do so in the state noted in the contract.
Now then, if the lawsuit is in the state of the contract writer they can subpeona documents or witnesses from any state. That state will deliver the subpeona and the court will expect that the subpeona be satisfied. If it is not, the court will hold them in contempt and the party being sued will lose their case. The judge will not say "hey they did not provide the evidence so plaintiff you can't use it".
Look how the Obots come out of the woodwork on this site when something new comes up.They are scared to death that Obama will be found out.If Obots knew he was legit they would not respond.They would just laugh if off.
On her website Orly is asking for assistance in finding addresses of others to subpoena in this case.
If she can subpoena anyone anywhere through the GA administrative court, why doesn't she just subpoena Obama? Get him under oath, make him appear in GA and produce his own documents? Subpoena attorney Corley to testify as to her trip to pick up the fake pdf, etc.
When he can't, as we all know he can't, game over. CHECKMATE!!
@RS,
Yes, the subpoena posted by TheEuropean is "bogus", in EXACTLY the same manner as the Taitz one is.
Neither is worth the paper and electrons spent on it.
The Taitz "subpoena" is just an online form, has no legal standing or validity, meets none of the requirements of GA law and simply demonstrates that Orly Taitz will do anything for attention.
As for your statement "We do see Obama's name leading in the suit." again typical Taitz failure I'm afraid
Obama has not been served, so he cannot be a party and the SoS of Georgia has already stated previously that they do NOT "vet" candidates for the presidential election nor is there any legal process that gives them the right or desire to do so.
It's actually quite simple, which someone who lives in this country would understand.
We don't vote for the President, we vote for presidential electors and the SoS has only powers to "vet" these people and not individuals nominated by parties and placed on the ballot for President.
In this country when the presidential electors cast their votes, which are the will of the people, the individual with the greatest number of Electoral College votes, when certified by Congeress and with no objection from same, SHALL be President, not MAY, SHALL.
So, all this smoke and mirrors by Taitz simply can't do anything and is just an attempt to corrupt the Constitutional processes of this Republic.
@RS
Why do you say it is a joke?
It has the judge's signature and his seal.
it is in the interest of every citizen of Hawaii, Texas, New Jersey, and Illinois, as well as the other 46 states of the UNITED STATES to find out if the man sitting in the white house is legally there.
To continue this rhetorical diatribe intended to make yourself look intelligent does nothing for your proof.
There is no proof. A copy of a birth certificate in *.pdf form is a copy, not layers, as is the case with this particular BC.
Blind faith may be great for Christians, but look what it's done for the Muslims? Blind faith is good if it is meant for good, but blind faith in a regular man who is not even exceptional gives us dictators and horror stories for the History books.
Read the past to learn about people who have followed "great orators" and you will see what may happen here, today, if this is not stopped NOW.
What strikes me as funny is how there is this big long thread on this post here with Obots obfuscating and dithering about how Hawaii can continue to deny Obama's original records from ever seeing the light of day, and yet the Apuzo thread that clearly outlines the constitutional precedents and case citatations for why Obama is in fact ineligible to be POTUS only has a meager three comments. I guess when you can't argue facts and case law, you delve into the mysticism of speculative fortune telling.
Refute this OBOT LIARS!
1. No long form birth certificate released by Obama contained a raised visible embossed seal.
If it did, you would post a link and point out the exact location of the seal on the document, but you haven't because you can't, without showing just exactly how STUPID that you are, and admitting by default that you are a LIAR!
2. While Social Security is indeed a Federal program, Social Security numbers are generally issued by the State in which you were born in, or by a State in which you were currently residing in when the number was applied for.
Obama was not born in Connecticut, nor has he ever lived in that State.
3. Yes, HIPPA does indeed prevent a Hospital from releasing information about anyone without permission, but it does not prevent Obama from releasing any documents that the Hospital may have concerning his birth, or prevent Obama from authorizing the Hospital to release any documents that they may have concerning his birth.
Truth is that Hawaii DOH has no documents to release themselves, and Obama only has the forgeries that he created for release to the public, so that is why no one can see the original hard copy birth certificate that doesn’t really exist.
Why are SHEEPLE so damn STUPID or are you all just LIARS with a purpose?
THIS IS THE U.S.A., WE HAVE LAWS, WE HAVE COURTS, AND WE HAVE JUDGES. NOW! ALL ''WE THE PEOPLE'' WANT TO KNOW IS THE TRUTH? THE TRUTH OF KNOWING IF THIS president IS LEGAL TO SIT IN OUR W.H........AS FAR AS I KNOW WE STILL HAVE 'RIGHTS' IF THEY CAN'T DO THEIR JOB, (WHICH THEY DON'T) ITS TIME FOR THEM TO STEP DOWN,( now thats a joke) but they won't? SO, FOR EVERY ONE THAT HAS TURNED ''WE THE PEOPLE'' DOWN FROM THE TRUTH, YOU ALL WILL BE SETTING IN JAIL....WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH..
"RS said...[Reply]
@TheEuropean
Hey Fogbum. That FogBlowing and bogus joke subpoena has already been posted on this thread by one your comrades."
The joke subpoena is just as valid as the one Orly downloaded and filled out... which is to say zero validity.
Birther Summit has a new press release. Their upcoming lawsuit will depend on a single word.
http://www.birthersummit.org/news/72-obama-state-ballot-challenge-initiative-and-a-hawaii-update.html
Fail is one word.
@Who is he???
Obama produced a copy of his legal birth record three years ago, but you refused to believe it was real. Others have not "refused to cooperate" but have followed the law protecting the integrity of state records. Despite state laws that prohibit the release of the LFBC, Obama obtained a waiver of that law to obtain a copy for publication. You refused to believe that too, even though multiple officials of the State of Hawaii have vouched for the data over the last three years.
Instead of believing them, you choose to follow a former resident of the Soviet Union who has given multiple interviews to Pravda and other anti-American outlets in her quest to unseat a democratically elected President. Who is she? Where are her citizenship papers? Where are her student transcripts?
The Constitution does not require the oath to begin at noon; it states that the term office shall begin at noon. The Constitution does not require the oath to be taken in public and of course the Constitution did not require cameras to be present.
I'm not impressed with Obama as President. Someone else will probably get my vote in 2012. I don't have to believe that the entire government is corrupt, that judges are bought, that the State of Hawaii can't manage its own records. All I need is access to the ballot box. That's how we do these things in America.
So if pre trial dispostion is not attened by those named in the subpoena and the documents are not supplied what will the state of GA do with respect to the law?
I think 1/5/2012 will become a day of imfamy.
Too little, too late. Hawaii (and all of the other States) should have done this four years ago.
It's all but irrelevant anyway; Obama's father was not a U.S. citizen so Obama is not a natural born citizen and is ineligible.
Georgia has had a challenge to O.bamulie's name being on the ballot, questioning the validity of his birth certificates and use of an invalid SSN. The Sec. of State/attorney general are within legal authority to produce a subpoena to the ONLY state that claims to have the documentation to confirm O.whodat's birth records to be able to carry out their vetting duties which were ignored in EVERY state that certified him during his first Con-paignI. Unfortunately, there is no push from ANY of the state's, congress, judges, etc. to act on Minor vs. Happersett and remove the Fraud in Chief from office as ineligible because of his non-natural born citizen status...that would definitely take his name off ANY ballot. Then start the investigation, indictment and incarceration process to prove O.whodat's criminal activities of forgery, I.D.theft and use of aliases. Such an investigation would pull in ALL the minions in the Congress, DNC, judicial system, HI, and his faux administration as co-conspirators/accomplices and would make null and void every act he committed as a criminal faux POTUS, including the choice of Biden his Time as Veep and his two unqualified SCOTUS appointments. Boehner would become the stand-in until the election in 2012.
RS said...[Reply]
@Anonymous
Then perhaps you can explain that to Orly Taitz.
Not Orly. You tell the judge who signed the subpoena OBot. Maybe he doesn't know what he is doing. I'll take OBots are wrong for $1,000 Alex. Or maybe Hawaii may do the right thing for once.
I'd love to take you up on the $1,000
"Don't know where someone gets the idea that Georgia law "trumps" Hawaii law. Probably from Orly Taitz, but that is wrong."
Could also be from the Anonymous Obot who posted "Any Judge can issue an order to HDOH Director Fuddy directing/ordering her to allow Orly Taitz access to Obama's original vital records. That no Judge has done that should tell you something."
RacerJim
@RS
Would you like to bet $1000 that Fuddy will not be compelled to attend any hearing in Georgia?
Would you like to bet another $1000 that Fuddy will not be compelled to turn over any documents to Taitz?
Would you like to bet yet another $1000 that President Obama's name will appear on the Georgia ballot?
@Robert December 12, 2011 10:06 PM
"As partners in this Constitutional Republic - AKA union - every state is obligated to clearly and openly verify the eligibility of any candidate from their state and to make all information related to the verification or disqualification of any such candidates readily available to the other member states and to the people. (A candidates birth state has this obligation because it is the issuer and the keeper of the candidates official records.)"
Precisely. And in 2008 the Chairman of the State of Hawaii Elections Commission, Kevin B. Cronin, committed election fraud by verifying Obama's eligibility DESPITE the fact that the 2008 Chairman of the Hawaii Democratic Party ("HDP"), Brian Schatz, DID NOT verify Obama as eligible per the U.S. Constitution as required by Hawaii election law.
RacerJim
@Who is HE????????
This new lawsuit is moot as the issue has already been decided in Georgia in Terry v Handel.
"Recently, a lawsuit was filed claiming that Mr. Obama is not qualified to run for President and should not appear on Georgia’s ballot. See Terry v. Handel, In the Superior Court of Fulton County, State of Georgia, Civil Action File No. 2008CV158774. On October 24, 2008, the Court entered an Order recognizing that in Georgia, as elsewhere in the United States, voters cast their ballots for “presidential electors,” rather than directly for a candidate, when voting for the office of President of the United States. See, e.g., U.S. Const. art. II, § 1, cl. 3; O.C.G.A. § 21-2-172. Because of this, the Secretary of State of Georgia does not have the authority to refuse to allow someone to be listed as a candidate for President of the United States when such individual has been properly nominated by a political party. See O.C.G.A. §§ 21-2-172 to 21-2-200. Rather, Georgia law imposes duties simply for the examination of presidential electors. O.C.G.A. § 21-2-172. The political parties’ candidates for President of the United States are typically determined through a political party’s convention. O.C.G.A. § 21-2-191 to 21-2-200. Therefore, any concerns you may have regarding the qualifications of Mr. Obama to remain on Georgia’s ballot as a candidate for President of the United States should be directed to the Democratic National Party.
The other relevant part of the ruling:
Georgia Superior Court has already ruled that their statutes do not place any discretionary or mandatory authority to refuse to allow someone to be listed for President by a political party because it is believed that the candidate may not be qualified.
@Who is HE????????
@Who is HE????????
Answers:
1. He is hiding everything because he needed to be elected so he and his cronies can begin the destruction of America implementation of the NWO and continue the rape, theft, and pillaging of America. sob, usob had and has ALL of congress behind him and many other commies traitors to complete his tasks.
2. He had to lie, lie, lie and lie some more to get elected. He never intended to be transparent to the public. His plan was to lie to America and make us believe the lie so his destruction can begin.
3. Now as for the obots sleeping better, that will never happen because they are not normal people. They are severely possessed by demons and only Jesus can cleanse them and since they hate Jesus that will never happen. You see the stimulus money pays them well to continue their rants and raves and malicious tales and they also have very sick twisted minds and cannot do anything other than spout uselessness. The obots will burn in hell for the lies they have told and will be there for eternity.
4. The inauguration of this commie scum destroyer was an intentional event. The scotus and congress have all been promised protection and escape from any retribution if and only if they keep their mouths shut and deviously and deceptively vote the direction of this evil commie usurper.
5. Why is all this happening? Well dear, it's the end times. All these things must happen for the end times to come. There will be a time they call good evil and evil good. They evil we are seeing is getting bad and it will get worse and worse. Hang on it's going to get a lot tougher. Can't say for sure if the usurper is the anti-christ or not but he surely is doing a lot of things to set him up.
No question Hawaii will never respond to this subpoena because there is NO original BC or Microphiche roll with Obama's BC on it. They cannot produce something that doesn't exist. The real question is, will GA do the right thing and refuse to allow Barry Barack Subarkah Soetoro Omama or whatever his real name is, to be on the GA ballot? If GA is refused this proof of evidence by HI, how can they possibly say there is nothing to the questions raised about the forgery and the fraud? It will be interesting to see how GA gets around this like NH did by just flat out ignoring the truth.
any... day... now...
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any... day... now...
To all who responded to Who Is HE??????
Thank you for the response.
My opinion is Obots are either being paid, hate this country being free, Have no respect or reverance for our Constitution and amongst other things must be totally brainwashed or just blind to facts, or just plain gullible.
I disagree that HI has vouched for the validity of BC's, I can see there is something wrong with them, but most of all I believe if there is nothing to hide he should order (maybe Executive Order?) that the microfische be released.
If someone were questioning me and I was asking the world to just take my word for it, they called BS, I would do whatever necesary to prove my innocence. Tell me why he won't.
To quote the Dick tator himself, He who has nothing to hide.....
I also question the legitimacy of the above supeona because the language , *...from day to day, time to time...* some reason , I hope I am wrong, but that sounds to ambiguous for a legal order. Hope I am wrong, but I would not be surprised if this was an Obot set up.
@Anonymous
That's an easy question to answer. Georgia's laws (and most of the other states as well) leave it up to the POLITICAL PARTIES to vet their candidates.
What many birthers don't seem to understand is that under our Constitution, we have a REPUBLICAN form of government, not a pure democracy. The American voter doesn't vote for Barack Obama or Newt Gingrich. We vote for ELECTORS and the Electoral College votes for the President.
We can challenge the qualifications of electors in civil lawsuits, but not a party's candidate. There have been well over 100 civil suits and not one of them has been successful.
We can also try to find a prosecutiong attorney who would file criminal election fraud charges against an ineligible candidate but no such prosecutor has yet been found.
Perhaps Sheriff Arpaio's cold case posse will eventually lead to a grand jury investigation in Arizona and possible indictments.
"I also question the legitimacy of the above supeona because the language , *...from day to day, time to time...* some reason , I hope I am wrong, but that sounds to ambiguous for a legal order. Hope I am wrong, but I would not be surprised if this was an Obot set up."
That's actually very standard language for a deposition subpoena or notice of deposition.
That's not the problem with this subpoena. Orly posted on her website. She downloaded it. It's hers. No "obot set up [sic]".
@RS
To Repeat to you OBots and OBums:
"Let us all revisit the statute that governs the Hawaiian vital records:
"§338-18 Disclosure of records.
...(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:
...
(9) A person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction; ...."
-End Snip-
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrs2006/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.HTM
The operative phrase here is "Competent jurisdiction."
Oooh OBots, lets see now. It doesn't say that the Hawaiian courts as being the only "competent jurisdiction" BUT by a court from a competent jurisdiction to issue a court ordered subpoena."
I'd say Taitz has found a judge from a "competent jurisdiction" for her court ordered subpoena to compel Hawaii to comply.
December 13, 2011 1:19 AM"
- - - - -
Again OBots, according to the Hawaiian statute "§338-18 Disclosure of records," a court ordered subpoena can come from any 'Competent Jurisdiction' for the Hawaiian DoH to comply with the law by releasing Obama's vault birth records.
I suppose you village OBots would try to spin it that 'Competent jurisdiction' only means the Hawaiian courts, but that's not what the Hawaiian law says - nope you OBots.
@Charlene
My opinion is Obots are either being paid, hate this country being free, Have no respect or reverance for our Constitution and amongst other things must be totally brainwashed or just blind to facts, or just plain gullible.
All of the above.
Yes Charlene, you are correct on all accounts.
@Anonymous
"...as required by Hawaii election law."
No Jim that is wrong.
Hawaiian law requires a statement from the State party and the National Party that the candidates were picked by their convention.
And they require a statement that the candidates meet US Constitutional requirements, but the law does not say who has to submit that statement, the State Party or the National Party.
So the chief election oficer did not violate the statute.
@Anonymous
"No question Hawaii will never respond to this subpoena because there is NO original BC or Microphiche roll with Obama's BC on it. They cannot produce something that doesn't exist. The real question is, will GA do the right thing and refuse to allow Barry Barack Subarkah Soetoro Omama or whatever his real name is, to be on the GA ballot? If GA is refused this proof of evidence by HI, how can they possibly say there is nothing to the questions raised about the forgery and the fraud? It will be interesting to see how GA gets around this like NH did by just flat out ignoring the truth."
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The way around that is to issue a subpoena for the OFFICIALS of the state of Hawaii, either a court-order or a congressional subpoena to testify under oath as to why they have failed to produce the court ordered records.
If they fail to produce what a judge or a congressional committee chairperson has ordered/subpoenaed, they can be held in contempt of court and imprisoned until they comply or held in contempt of congress. If they testify under oath that there is no birth certificate or microfiche, then at least that information would be on the record and the DEMOCRATS would be forced to get Obama to resign.
However I am certain that records and microfiche do exist. With all the resources of every national security agency under Obama's control, it's a simple matter to have records and microfiche created for him. After all, they already had birth notices placed in the 1961 microfilm of Honolulu newspapers.
@Anonymous
Anon 12:04pm (Justin Shilo aka Fogbow and company) says:
"That's an easy question to answer. Georgia's laws (and most of the other states as well) leave it up to the POLITICAL PARTIES to vet their candidates."
Oh realy? Why then did New Hampshire deny/remove somneone from their ballot?
@RS - Hawaii 338-18 does require a court of competent jurisdiction, but Georgia has no jurisdiction at all over Loretta Fuddy. You don't have to take our word for it. There will be a ruling on this in due time.
@Charlene - the US President does not have authority to issue an Executive Order to sovereign state, especially regarding the enforcement of a state's law. "Federalism" is the word for today.
@ RS... "I suppose you village OBots would try to spin it that 'Competent jurisdiction' only means the Hawaiian courts, but that's not what the Hawaiian law says - nope you OBots."
Nope, but a GA administrative court is certainly not a court of competent jurisdiction.
@I tell it like it is
NH's role is to verify that the declaration is properly completed and submitted and to collect the fee. In the case of the person whose name did not appear on the ballot, his declaration showed on its face that he was not eligible. If the declaration does not actually declare eligibility, the name won't be on the ballot.
The Georgia Office of State Administrative Hearings website has taken down its link to the subpoena form
http://www.osah.ga.gov/documents/subpoenas/subpoena.pdf
But using the wayback - you can see a blank form with the signature of John Rasheed, Court Clerk with a Georgia seal.
I wonder if they will be removing Judge Malihi signature from the blank form?
Hey there mitzi, looks like your squeeze Bo, is gettin' some heat yo!
with all the pissed off obots i see here someone has hit a nerve up obamas ass. i think he knows this is the end and hes fucked. the real funny part is he cant get away. hes pretty much a prisoner already. americans are not buying the lies this time around. we have 0 trust in the corrupt media and our corrupt government. law enforcement is looking into his phoney documents. and we dont care how loud you obots scream racist youve wore that claim out to the point where it no longer works. the noose is around obamas neck and getting tighter.
"Anonymous said...[Reply]
The Georgia Office of State Administrative Hearings website has taken down its link to the subpoena form"
Still works fine for me.
In NH only the Dems and Republicans vette their candidate. The NH SOS vetts all other candidates..You gotta sue the DNC in NH. Will not get anywhere with the NH SOS. In fact, this is the situation in many States. This time around, I expect some timely suits against the DNC, a private corp. Keep an eye on John Dummit, a POTUS candidate, who has already begun legal actions against the DNC...
Why is Obama's name on this when the resoondent in an administrative court proceeding is the state agency ( in this case, the SOS)?
I don't think Orly knows what she's doing procedure wise. This will look bad to the judge, who will be looking for technicalities for rejecting this. Naming the wrong defendant is just such a technicality.
@Anonymous
Nope, but a GA administrative court is certainly not a court of competent jurisdiction.
So OBot, what is a competent jurisdiction besides the Hawaiian or Federal courts that fall under the purview of HRS 338-18 Disclosure of Records?
Well gee prevaricating OBot, the Administrative Court of Georgia mission statement states this:
"Our Mission
To resolve disputes between the public and state agencies in a timely, impartial, courtous manner and professional manner. "
The Georgia Administrative court sure certianly looks like a competent court that HRS 338 recognizes to issue subpoenas in a dispute for Hawaiian DoH records.
As we should all know you OBums that Taitz is not the plaintiff here.
It is Dr. Laurie Roth from the Americam Independent Party who is "seeking declaratory relief and injunctive relief, declaring Obama not eligible to be on the ballot in 2012 in GA and preventing the Secretary of State of GA from placing Obama’s name on the ballot, due to the fact that he is not a natural born citizen, which is the prerequisite for one to be on the ballot running for the U.S. President" in the state of Georgia."
Do we take the silly OBots words for it that 'the Georgia Administrative Court' is not the right venue? LoL. Of course not.
As we all see that this is a suit in the state of Georgia where a would be presidential candidate is looking for Obama to prove that he deserves to be on the Georgia's presidential ballot.
In light of this information, the Georgia Administrative Court is a court of competent jurisdiction, that Hawaii in accordance with their own laws are compelled to obey any subpoena for their records in this lawsuit.
"This time around, I expect some timely suits against the DNC, a private corp. Keep an eye on John Dummit, a POTUS candidate, who has already begun legal actions against the DNC..."
No, he hasn't. Look at his lawsuit. He's not sued the DNC and he's not served the defendants in either suit he's filed, either in AZ or state court in TN. There is, at this time, no lawsuit with Dummett, et al. as plaintiffs.
This an snip from another blog, from a person who is usually right on.
...*this is not legal either. Orly can not supb. someone to court in GA. If you notice, the subp. says STATE OF GA. Also, the Deputy Cheif Judge...the Mike guy...is a court clerk....NOT a Judge. It is on the Ga. Court site along with the one author posted, the mok one, so it had to have been done by someone there at the court house.
If you want to see where both came from, and I doubt one was an obot..because their's would not be funny, it would almost be believable.... go here
http://www.osah.ga.gov/default.aspx# click "Court Forms" and then click "subpoena."
It's probably one of the most irresponsible things I've seen on a court site.. subpoena form pre-signed by the judge. I can't imagine the abuse that could be put to. Not by just Orly, but by someone else as well.
@RS
A subpoena is not a court order.
A search warrant is a court order. An order of protection is a court order.
A restraining order is a court order.
The following is from the administrative law for the HIPAA law:
"Court Orders and Subpoenas
A covered health care provider or health plan may disclose protected health information required by a court order, including the order of an administrative tribunal. However, the provider or plan may only disclose the information specifically described in the order.
A subpoena issued by someone other than a judge, such as a court clerk or an attorney in a case, is different from a court order. A covered provider or plan may disclose information to a party issuing a subpoena only if the notification requirements of the Privacy Rule are met. Before the covered entity may respond to the subpoena, the Rule requires that it receive evidence that reasonable efforts were made to either:
•notify the person who is the subject of the information about the request, so the person has a chance to object to the disclosure, or to
•seek a qualified protective order for the information from the court.
For further information on this topic, please refer to 45 C.F.R. § 164.512(e) and OCR’s Frequently Asked Questions.
@ RS...
"Our Mission
- To resolve disputes between the public and state agencies in a timely, impartial, courtous manner and professional manner. "
Yes, the public and GA state agencies.
- The Georgia Administrative court sure certianly looks like a competent court that HRS 338 recognizes to issue subpoenas in a dispute for Hawaiian DoH records.
Nope, no jurisdiction over HI courts, period. Plus this "suit" is not a suit over a dispute for HI DOH records, no matter how much you may wish it to be.
- As we should all know you OBums that Taitz is not the plaintiff here.
Agreed. I don't know how that matters re the issue of the suit and the jurisdiction of GA courts over HI DOH, which again is zero.
- It is Dr. Laurie Roth from the Americam Independent Party who is "seeking declaratory relief and injunctive relief, declaring Obama not eligible to be on the ballot in 2012 in GA and preventing the Secretary of State of GA from placing Obama’s name on the ballot, due to the fact that he is not a natural born citizen, which is the prerequisite for one to be on the ballot running for the U.S. President" in the state of Georgia."
Along with Farrar, et al.
- Do we take the silly OBots words for it that 'the Georgia Administrative Court' is not the right venue? LoL. Of course not.
Don't have to take an "Obot's" word. Read the law... oh and read it without an agenda bias. You might want to keep in mind that those evil Obot lawyers have been correct in "predicting" the outcome of every suit, usually within a very short time of them being filed, So no, I wouldn't take their word either. They obviously have no idea what they're talking about.
- As we all see that this is a suit in the state of Georgia where a would be presidential candidate is looking for Obama to prove that he deserves to be on the Georgia's presidential ballot.
She can be looking for proof all she wants. The issue is whether, according to GA statute he is entitled to be on the ballot. Whether she thinks he should is irrelevant.
- In light of this information, the Georgia Administrative Court is a court of competent jurisdiction, that Hawaii in accordance with their own laws are compelled to obey any subpoena for their records in this lawsuit.
Once again, wrong conclusion. Nothing in the GA statutes or administrative rules should lead you or anyone else to that conclusion. Sorry... just fact. Hawaii DOH or any other agency is compelled to obey Orly's subpoena, and they won't, and rightly so. Nor will any of the other people/entities Orly seems to wish to subpoena, according to her website.
@Anonymous
"Man, this article really has pushed the Obots buttons and they are "but but but...." all over this comment section; trying to be coherent but still just sounding like knee-jerk reaction."
They sound like Oscama without a teleprompter.
Being that all you Obots have this figured out where Obama will not be affected you can all relax and go smoke your joint.
Obama produced a copy of his legal birth record three years ago
>>>really, provide a copy of the microfiche version that everyone from the 1950s and 60s has, the black and white version or else shut your pie hole.
proof OBOTS can not read
OP said
This time around, I expect some timely suits against the DNC
OBOT responded:
No, he hasn't. Look at his lawsuit. He's not sued the .....
obvious comprehension problem with understanding the future tense of "I expect some timely...." to be perverted to the present tense.
No wonder OBOTS are liberals WITH A MENTAL DISORDER !!
"proof OBOTS can not read
OP said
This time around, I expect some timely suits against the DNC
OBOT responded:
No, he hasn't. Look at his lawsuit. He's not sued the .....
obvious comprehension problem with understanding the future tense of "I expect some timely...." to be perverted to the present tense.
No wonder OBOTS are liberals WITH A MENTAL DISORDER !!"
Not "exactly."
What the OP said was... ""This time around, I expect some timely suits against the DNC, a private corp. Keep an eye on John Dummit, a POTUS candidate, who has already begun legal actions against the DNC...""
Did you not see the "who has already begun legal actions against the DNC"?
The answer was... "No, he hasn't. Look at his lawsuit. He's not sued the DNC and he's not served the defendants in either suit he's filed, either in AZ or state court in TN. There is, at this time, no lawsuit with Dummett, et al. as plaintiffs."
And that answer is correct. So who is it that can't read?
The name "BIRTHERS" started with Hillarys campaign. They were the first original Birthers. Then the term Birther was shifted(STOLEN) by the LIBERAL LEFT THUGS) to call ALL those opposed ( WE THE PEOPLE, who believe in the Constitution, and are smart enuf to see and know, not dumbed down) to a Socialist, Communist, Marxist, thugery, corrupted way of life, starting with installing a Usurper to the Highest Office in our land. The DNC and some if not all Repubs, didn't realize that MOST, if not ALL Americans would step to the plate and QUESTION this( voter fraud, lfbc, cheating lying, stealing from americans, and well--- Ijust have to say, the obummer puppet & his machine, must be pi$$ing their unrespective pants by now. Things have not gone their way, and they will be punished. The World may not return to the way it was, but these thugs will get whats comming to THEM (WE CAN TELL BY THEIR COMMENTS), I feel confident in that. So since they have tagged us with the "BIRTHER" term, in it's "logical sense" automatically names obots,etc. "DEATHERS". I do believe they have not only left many dead persons in their wake, and plan to add numbers to it (SYRIA, IRAN, BORDER PATROL BRIAN TERRY, PLUS MORE AMERICAN SOLDIERS, AND CITIZENS,U.S NAVY SEALS( WHO KNEW THE TRUTH ABOUT OSAMA, ETC.) but also the DEATH of our beloved USA, DEATH of our CONSTITUTION, and DEATH to our AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE. SO MY VALID QUESTION HERE IS: IF YOU LOVE DEATH SO MUCH, WHY NOT JUST GET RID OF YOURSELVES. U.S. PATRIOT, AND NAVY VETERAN !!! but then, One day you may get a little help.
First: Georgia courts have no jurisdiction over Hawaii agencies or Hawaii residents. You need a Hawaiian court for that.
>>>>they do if they want to run in GEORGIA and get on GEORGIA'S BALLOT !! DOH. That was an easy one . Next.
Second: There is no indication that it has been served at all.
>>>What part of PROOF OF SERVICE on the original is not clear to you ????
Third: There is no state-to-state issue. The state of Georgia is not a party and it will not be asserting any state's right vs. the state of Hawaii.
>>>Yes you are right, it's strictly a GEORGIA ISSUE. But if HAWAII refuses to provide a GEORGIA COURT the information it REQUIRES, the it's one state versus another. IF you are saying it's an OBAMA issue, then they should serve OBAMA to get the correct bona fides. Then it becomes a STATE vs FEDERAL ISSUE. Either way it can end up in the Supreme Court as OBAMA will continue to lie, obstruct, and extend for his own good against the wishes of MILLIONS of AMERICANS who do not TRUST this known anti-American LIAR.
Speaking of subpoenas, why hasn't Sheriff Joe issued one?
>>>>because he's working on an ARREST WARRENT, which he CAN LEGALLY ISSUE !!! THAT'S WHY!!
What is your response to that one ...... :)
@I Tell it Like it is
Watching birthers continually making fools of themselves is much more fun than smoking a joint.
Obama: 151 victories in birther lawsuits.
Birthers: ZERO
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result."--Albert Einstein
@Anonymous
subpoena is not a court order.
The subpoena for this article and thread is signed by the judge Obot.
A search warrant is a court order. An order of protection is a court order.
Duuuh OBot, and irrelevant.
A restraining order is a court order.
Duuh OBot, irrelevant.
A subpoena issued by someone other than a judge, such as a court clerk or an attorney in a case, is different from a court order.
Yes OBot, clerks and officers of the court do sign subpoenas. BUT judges DO sign subpoenas as "So ordered" in cases before them. You are trying to leave the impression that a judge cannot sign subpoenas, which is incorrect and par for the course for you silly OBots.
Maybe OBot you inform your little Commies at Fogbow and buddies who were ALWAYS chanting about Orly subpoena(s) were "NOT a court ordered subpoena" , even though you still get it wrong FogBlower.
@Anonymous
"What strikes me as funny is how there is this big long thread on this post here with Obots obfuscating and dithering about how Hawaii can continue to deny Obama's original records from ever seeing the light of day, and yet the Apuzo thread that clearly outlines the constitutional precedents and case citatations for why Obama is in fact ineligible to be POTUS only has a meager three comments."
The answer is simple. Apuzo [sic] is just a tired, sad, deluded hack. Whereas THIS thread is pure comedy gold.
You remember the good old days when the circus came to town, and people would flock to gawk at the bearded lady, the strong man, the clowns, and gorge on cotton candy?
That's what this Georgia challenge is. Orly's 'subpoena' is like catnip to bored birther-watchers who are starved for entertainment.
Keep it up, chuckles!
@I Tell it Like it is
From the "Native and Nutural Born Citizenship Blog:"
Will Orly ever learn that an "order of a court of competent jurisdiction” is NOT the same as a clerk issued subpoena? And will Orly ever learn how to properly file an out-of-state subpoena. These are some questions we are asking while waiting Orly’s next move down a path of failure.
Orly has issued a clerk issued subpoena by a court in Georgia, attempting to compel Fuddy to attend a deposition where she will have to present relevant data related to President Obama’s birth records.
While the Court in Farrar v Obama, filed in Georgia will quickly dismiss the case once the defendant has pointed out the legal precedent in Terry v Handel, the Court will never issue the order Orly so desperately is searching for.
And once Orly realizes that a clerk issued subpoena is NOT the same as a court order, we can all rest easier. Until then we shall see her work and travel load increase with many more dismissals in the near future.
This is going to be so much fun… Let’s hope that this time at least Orly has learned how to properly file the subpoena…
As to Orly, do you think she is following the right procedure for an out-of-state subpoena? This is so much fun… Well, there are many more states where she can file and attempt to follow the correct procedure, but I doubt that she will be able to show much success, even if she were to follow the rules.
"My opinion is Obots are either being paid, hate this country being free, Have no respect or reverance for our Constitution and amongst other things must be totally brainwashed or just blind to facts, or just plain gullible."
Charlene I agree with your assessment also. I look at like this...Bill Ayers, an American terrorist whose group burned down buildings, exploded bombs and tried and did kill people. Ayers, the author of BHO's first book, the fantasy story that put BHO into the bigtime for without that story he would be just another also ran. Ayers is obviously a charter member of the Obots, if not the Chairman of the Board. The Obots all think just like him. They are all Communists as Ayers admits to.
You wonder why? Communism does fail the masses history tells us that, but it rewards handsomely one group of people - the Communists. While 1 in 4 Cambodians died during Pol Pot's reign mostly of starvation - he put on 50 lbs.!
@Anonymous
No, you are the one with the reading comprehension problem. Dummett sued the National Democratic Party of the USA, Inc.
How about you help Dummett by locating the Registered Agent for service of process on the NDP of the USA, Inc. The stupid bastard and his idiot lawyer need all the help they can get.
@Charlene
And they have it as a word document. You can literally cut and paste the judge's signature and seal into any word document you want. That's nuts.
@RS
Not one of Orly's plaintiffs is a candidate in Georgia. They don't have standing because they are not "electors" as required by Georgia law. Only Farrar has standing because he's a registered voter in Georgia.
One thing is for sure. Everyone commenting here, and I do mean everyone, knows Soetoro is an illegal alien.
@Charlene
"subpoena form pre-signed by the judge"
An administrative law judge is not a true judge. In Georgia, the Chief Administrative Law Judge is appointed by the Governor. He/she can then go out and hire additional administrative judges
"(e)(1) The chief state administrative law judge shall have the power to employ full-time assistant administrative law judges who shall exercise the powers conferred upon the chief state administrative law judge in all administrative cases assigned to them."
The Office of State Administrative Hearings is part of the executive branch of Georgia government.
"(a) There is created within the executive branch of state government the Office of State Administrative Hearings. The office shall be independent of state administrative agencies and shall be responsible for impartial administration of administrative hearings in accordance with this article."
This is why people are saying this court will not issue subpoena's to Hawaii, Indonesia or anywhere outside of Georgia. It is also why people are saying it is not a court of "a court of competent jurisdiction" for the purpose of Hawaii vital records statutes.
This will end like the other subpoenas that Orly has taken to Hawaii.
This is just more of the same bullsh*t by the Obots. Just like Barry, they think if you repeat a lie often enough then it's true - or at least people will believe it's true. The Anon Obot always throws out that Barry has produced his BC. But, any half wit knows that he's produced nothing that has been objectively determined to be authentic. So, the Obots ignore the facts and repeat the lie. Problem is, so far it's working cuz the MSM is on their side.
I predict this GA thing will be like everything else - it will produce zero. Barry will be on the GA ballot, and HI will not be compelled to do anything. Just remember, the GA republicans are in the tank for Obama too - they had the best eligibility legislation possible and it was killed by a REPUBLICAN. Nuff said.
As for the Obot Anon bet earlier here. Bet these stakes asshole - you lose and you get to spend 10 minutes locked in a room with moi - you win and you get to spend 5 minutes in the same room. End of Obot bullsh*t. Period.
Ignorant can be fixed. Stupid is forever. Obots are (really) stupid.
Fogblow and the other butt-licking Obots reaction to this thread is a very good signal they are sweating this one.
I love it!!
@Anonymous
A subpoena is not a court order.
Not entirely correct. It is just as good as when a judge signs a subpoena as it is "So Ordered." by the judge.
The following is from the administrative law for the HIPAA law:
"Court Orders and Subpoenas
A covered health care provider or health plan may disclose protected health information required by a court order, including the order of an administrative tribunal. However, the provider or plan may only disclose the information specifically described in the order.
And a "So Ordered" subpoena signed by a court judge will pry open the medical records for the court. BUT we are discussing about birth records NOT "medical records." FogBlow OBot, like a birth certificate and the microfiche that the birth certificate has been record on.
A subpoena issued by someone other than a judge, such as a court clerk or an attorney in a case, is different from a court order. ....
The operative words written above are "other than a judge"....
Like I said, if the judge signs the subpoena, it is "So ordered" as being an order by the judge.
The cockraoches from fogbow are out in full force on this thread. They must be distressed their messiah is in the process of being outed.
Maine, Vermont, New Hamshire, Alabama, Arizona, and now Georgia have started investigations! Hum, I wonder why? Is it that we are all crazy? OR MAYBE THERE IS NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE! Maybe all of you idiots should be writing those States. And while your at it don't forget to ask for the:
COLLEGE TRANSCRIPTS
MEDICAL RECORDS
SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER (as copied from obamas selective service registration)
TRANSPARENCY YEAH RIGHT!
www.wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com
@Anonymous
Anon 4:16pm (Fogbow aka Justin Shilo) says:
"And they have it as a word document. You can literally cut and paste the judge's signature and seal into any word document you want. That's nuts."
You Obots would know about forgeries, as that is what your team does.
Orly would not forge a subpeona. If she did you would have your wish and she would lose her license just like Mia Gallager who is assoiciated with you at Fogbow. She was disbarred for corruption.
Uh, just release the documents. It's that simple and easy. For goodness sakes why not?
"The only people who do not want to disclose the truth, are people with something to hide."
In case you haven't seen it already, there's a new update about the forthcoming law suit that Dean Haskins has been tauting at the Birther Summit.
http://www.birthersummit.org/news/72-obama-state-ballot-challenge-initiative-and-a-hawaii-update.html
@I Tell it Like it is
No one is claiming that Orly forged a subpoena. She just filled in the form which already had the judges signature and seal on it. Such pre-signed subpoena forms are common, in fact, Orly got one from the court in Hawaii. The one that was dismissed when the Taitz v. Astrue case was dismissed.
This new one will end the same way.
@Anonymous
Anon 9:56 (aka Fogbow aka Justin Shilo)
Yes your team was alluding to the fact that Orly took the subpeona that was already signed from the internet.
If Obama has to keep paying off all these guys he may well use up all the donations that the major corporations and unions sent in. They will then not have the funds to pay you.
@RS
The subpoena was not issued by a "court of competent authority" because it was not issued by a court. The subpoena is from the Office of Administrative Hearings, which is not part of the judicial branch. It is an executive agency under the Governor.
Not. A. Court.
"Anonymous said...[Reply]
Uh, just release the documents. It's that simple and easy. For goodness sakes why not?"
What part of HI law says they can not without a court order do you not get?
@I Tell it Like it is
"Trust me , if we could dig up ol’ Billy Rawle ,today; he’d be sure to clarify [t]his statement–that’s if it was , indeed, recorded , initially, with accuracy and in its entirety"
You don't understand the form is on the administrative court's website. It is pre=signed. orly doesn't need to forge it. She just fills in the blanks. The Judge's signature is already there.
The pre-signed subpoena is on the website. Literally ANYBODY can fill it out and within minutes have a "So Ordered subpoena" to "command" anyone to do anything.
Just like Taitz's previous subpoenas, no one reviewed and approved her request; it was automatically generated.
A Georgia subpoena has no power in any other state. Even if Taitz does figure out how to try to compel compliance with an out-of-court subpoena, Hawaii will (again) assert Hawaiian law, and the subpoena will be quashed.
@RS
Hey Redd. Point out where you see "so ordered" on that administrative office subpoena.
@Anonymous December 13, 2011 12:39 PM
"Hawaiian law requires a statement from the State party and the National Party that the candidates were picked by their convention.
And they require a statement that the candidates meet US Constitutional requirements, but the law does not say who has to submit that statement, the State Party or the National Party.
So the chief election oficer did not violate the statute."
No, Anonymous, you are WRONG!
Hawaiian law (Revised Statute 11-113) AND the Democratic Party Of Hawaii's 2000 & 2004 "Official Certification Of Nomination" prove you are WRONG!
Go preach your kool-aid inebriated lies to the ever-decreasing Obama choir before there aren't any left.
RacerJim
@Anonymous
"prove you are WRONG!"
Just the opposite.
11-113 (1) (B) - calls for a statement about Constitutional eligibility but doesn't say who must provide the statement (national or state).
11- (1) (C) - specifically says both the state and national parties must provide a statement that the candidates are the duly chosen candidates.
How they decided to do it in the past is irrelevant to whether the 2008 application met the statute.
@Anonymous
Anon 7:37AM (aka Fogbow aka Justin Shilo)
What part of have Obama-Soetoro-Burnell really request ALL his documents. Kind of like what the original birthers (aka Democrats) requested from the idiot McCain.
Your technicalities show your resolve to keep the truth hidden. You all are getting very desparate. There are 50 states that will receive the challenge and one will uncover the truth.
Go Sheriff Joe
@Anonymous
As usual FoggyBots you guys "miss the point" and then scurry off to the next attack lines.
The point OBots, if a subpoena was signed by a judge from a "competent jurisdiction" which is allowed per Hawaiian law. HRS 338-18 reference to 'competent jurisdiction' has no qualifying clauses or statements that modifies it. And as we know OBums, 'competent jurisdiction' are outside the state of Hawaii.
If the intent and meaning behind the Hawaiian law HRS 338-18 was ONLY that Hawaiian courts orders or judge signed subpoenas were to be honored, it would state it in the law. And if that was HI state law, it would not be realistic or prudent law for the state of Hawaii to have such restrictions on such records, and therefore the law does not.
BUT no OBots, it doesn't say that. No it does not. It only says from a 'competent jurisdiction,' and that can be any competent court outside the state of Hawaii to include other US state courts.
@Anonymous
"Just the opposite."
WRONG again.
You conspicuously omitted the root of 11-113 (1)(B) & 11-113 (1)(C), i.e., 11-113 (1) itself, which says: "In the case of candidates of political parties which have been qualified to place candidates on the primary and general election ballots, the appropriate official of those parties shall file a sworn application with the chief election officer not later than 4:30 p.m. on the sixtieth day prior to the general election, which shall include:"
Unless you want to claim that Obama was not the presidential candidate of the Democratic Party of Hawaii in 2008 and/or that 2008 Chairman of the Democratic Party Brian Schatz was not the "appropriate official" of that party, Brian Schatz was duty bound to abide by 11-113 (1) in it's entirety. He did not.
How the Democratic Party of Hawaii did it in the past, at least for the two preceeding presidential elections, is indeed irrelevant as to whether the Democratic Party of Hawaii 2008 OCON met the 2008 statute...it did not.
@Anonymous
"the appropriate official of those parties"
You are wrong again.
Where does it say the "appropriate official" has to be from the State Party? It could also mean the national party.
If the code meant that the "appropriate official" has to be from the state party, it would say so.
@I Tell it Like it is
"one will uncover the truth."
I'm afraid you will be disappointed.
Sweet Jesus, this is good reading. I didn't realize there were still birther holdouts left. I guess everyone has got to have hobbies.
@Anonymous
"You are wrong again."
Code-wise true. Reality-wise false.
The code does in fact not say the "appropriate official" has to be from the candidate's State party, National party, or both.
The reality is that for at least the three most recent presidential elections (2000, 2004 & 2008) the "appropriate official" (the Chairman) of the Hawaii Democratic Party filed a sworn application (Official Certification Of Nomination("OCON")) with Hawaii's Chief Election Official per 11-113(1).
The reality additionally is that for at least the 2008 presidential election the "appropriate official" (Chairman) of the National Democratic Party filed two sworn applications (OCONs) with Hawaii's Chief Election Official per 11-113(1) -- one including 11-113(1)(B) and one ommitting same - but filed only the OCON ommitting 11-113(1)(B) with the Chief Election Official of all the other States.
The reality additionally is that for at least the 2008 election the Hawaii Republican Party and National Republican Party also filed OCONs with Hawaii's Chief Election Officer per 11-113(1).
The reality additionally, and moreover, is that of all the aforementioned OCONs filed with Hawaii's Chief Election Officer, the Hawaii Democratic Party's 2008 OCON is the ONLY one which did not include the Constitutional eligiblity requirement per 11-113(1)(B) -- and it was dated, signed and filed BEFORE the National Democratic Party's OCON was.
All of which begs any fair-minded person to ask:
1) Why did the 2008 Chairman of the Hawaii Democratic Party not include the Constitutional eligibility statement in the OCON he signed, dated and filed with Hawaii's Chief Election Official, especially since the Hawaii Democratic Party's OCONs filed with Hawaii's Chief Election Official in 2004 and 2000 included the Constitutional eligibility statement?
2) Why did the 2008 Chairman of the National Democratic Party sign, date and file two desparate OCONs with Hawaii's Chief Election Official - one including the Constitutional eligiblitly statement and one omitting same - and file only the one omitting same with the Chief Election Official of all the other States?
3) Why did Hawaii's 2008 Chief Election Official reject both the Hawaii Democratic Party's OCON and the National Democratic Party's OCON without the Constitutional eligibility statement, and accept only the National Democratic Party's OCON with the Constitutional eligibility statement?
Like I said before, go preach your kool-aid inebriated bs to the ever-decreasing Obama choir before there aren't any left. And you best hurry because there are fewer of them now than there were before. :-)
RacerJim
Just for the fun of it, I'd like to see video of these people from the HDOH doing whatever it is they do. Maybe kind of hound them with a video camera to watch them run. Ought to make for some telling video.
@RS
No, Red. You miss the point. It is Hawaii's law. Only Hawaii can define what is meant by a "court of competent authority." You cannot point to a single statute or case that defines this phrase. (BTW, you need to read 338-18. It does not use the term "jurisdiction" it says "authority". Sloppy sloppy.)
But lets pretend that another state has jurisdiction over Hawaii (and disregard the sovereignty of Hawaii and the Tenth Amendment, for a moment). Look at that subpoena -- up there in the caption -- and point out where it says this subpoena was issued by a "court". C'mon. Tell us the "court".
@RS
Jurisdiction means within the state of Hawaii -- whatever is "subject to the jurisdiction" of the state. So an order, to come from a court of competent jurisdiction, must emanate from a Hawaiian court.
Elementary principle of law.
@Anonymous
Gee, you Foggy OBots have got to be the most idiotic people on the Internet.
Elementary principle of law.
Oh OBot, please stop with the hilarity. LoL.
@Anonymous
You cannot point to a single statute or case that defines this phrase. (BTW, you need to read 338-18. It does not use the term "jurisdiction" it says "authority". Sloppy sloppy.)
LoL sloppy OBot. No, it says "jurisdiction." It says in...
338- 18 , (a)(9), "A person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction;"
@RS
Have you found the word "court" anywhere on that subpoena yet? Keep looking.
@RS
Elementary principle of law.
Oh OBot, please stop with the hilarity. LoL.
_______________
We wouldn't expect an eight-grade dropout like you to understand elementary anything, much less law.
Although I hear you did fairly well in remedial industrial arts.
@Anonymous
We wouldn't expect an eight-grade dropout like you to understand elementary anything, much less law.
LoL. You wish OBot.
@Anonymous
No, Red. You miss the point. It is Hawaii's law. Only Hawaii can define what is meant by a "court of competent authority." You cannot point to a single statute or case that defines this phrase.
Sure I can point to examples OBot.
(Hint there's more examples - LoL.)
Here the Hawaiian Department of Health (D0H) using the legal term "competent jurisdiction" but this time it is qualified by the phrase "in Hawaii" as in - to quote, "by a court of competent jurisdiction in Hawaii"
See the excerpt below:
"(b) The applicant shall also provide to the state registrar a copy of the adoption decree or certificate of adoption affixed with the certification and a copy of any investigatory report and recommendation which may have been prepared by the director of social services."
http://gen.doh.hawaii.gov/sites/har/AdmRules1/11-120.pdf
Like I said above in an early post,
"The point OBots, if a subpoena was signed by a judge [to get access to vital records - births, and deaths records] from a "competent jurisdiction" which is [ALREADY] allowed per Hawaiian law. HRS 338-18 reference to 'competent jurisdiction' has no qualifying clauses or statements that modifies it. And as we know OBums, 'competent jurisdiction' are outside the state of Hawaii. " The example I posted here does modify the term "competent jurisdiction" as "in Hawaii" - OBots.
You FogBums are always the clowns. :-)
@RS
That should read above as,
"(b) The applicant shall also provide to the state registrar a copy of the
adoption decree or certificate of adoption affixed with the certification by a court of competent jurisdiction in Hawaii and a copy of any investigatory report and recommendation which may have been prepared by the director of social services."
There fixed it.
I don't see where Orly certified that she sent the required Notice of Subpoena to Obama's attorney. Unless and until she does that, this subpoena is no good.
Anyone have a link to Orly's Notice of Subpoena?
Hey RS -- we are STILL waiting for you to point out where it says this subpoena was issued by a COURT.
Hint: Look at the caption (that's the stuff at the top). Tell us, please, from what "court" does this emanate?
Tick tock.
BTW, where is the Notice of Deposition that was supposed to be issued with this?
"Anonymous said...[Reply]
I don't see where Orly certified that she sent the required Notice of Subpoena to Obama's attorney. Unless and until she does that, this subpoena is no good.
Anyone have a link to Orly's Notice of Subpoena?"
Even is she gave notice (which I'd bet money on she did not) it's still invalid and will be ignored or a Motion to Quash will be filed and it will be granted.
@Anonymous
Hey RS -- we are STILL waiting for you to point out where it says this subpoena was issued by a COURT.
Hey Foggy operative, I never said that the subpoena, this subpoena, was signed by the judge or magistrate.
What I did say above OBot was this, and make sure you read and understand the operative word below. I'll put the "word" in bold letters.
"The point OBots, if a subpoena was signed by a judge [to get access to vital records - births, and deaths records] from a "competent jurisdiction... ."
Notice the word "IF" OBot - the operative word here.
@Anonymous
Anyone have a link to Orly's Notice of Subpoena?
Is that you OBot "Patty" ?
IF you are, Taitz told you yesterday.
Orly Taitz is going to talk directly with Obama's attorney today as she stated on here website thread. See comment #20.
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=28907#comments
@RS
The law says that an order must come from COURT of competent jurisdiction.
Since you are resistant to answering the question, I will answer it for you.
This subpoena is not a court order. Even if it were an order it did not come from a COURT of COMPETENT JURISDICTION. It did not even come from a COURT. It comes from the Office of State Administrative Hearings.
An OFFICE, Red. A state administrative AGENCY. An agency of the EXECUTIVE BRANCH not the Judicial Branch.
Fail.
Hawaii can ignore this, but they will probably wait until Orly arrives at the DOH and hand her a letter. After she pays the court reporter the appearance fee Orly will have some time to enjoy the beach in Honolulu on January 5, to rest up before her big fail the following day.
@RS
Hey Red, the Civil Practice Rules require a written notice to be served on counsel for the other patrty. A telephone chat does not comply with the rules.
More incompetence by the World's Worst Attorney.
But you continue to excuse Orly's mistakes, you hear? It's fun to read your apologetics for the Dentist parading as a lawyer.
@RS
Backtracking much?
@Anonymous
Dang you OBots are village idiots. Always making up stuff that I don't even state or imply.
@Anonymous
Backtracking much?
Only to set the record straight since you clowns love to spew BS.
@Anonymous
Hey Red, the Civil Practice Rules require a written notice to be served on counsel for the other patrty. A telephone chat does not comply with the rules.
I doubt you know if Taitz has wrote Obama's attorney or not. I would not tell you silly OBots any details. Taitz may not always inform you clowns to what's going on.
@Anonymous
This subpoena is not a court order.
Earth to OBot, Earth to OBot...come in OBot.... LoL.
I definitely never said it was a court order.
Even if it were an order it did not come from a COURT of COMPETENT JURISDICTION.
It did not even come from a COURT. It comes from the Office of State Administrative Hearings.
An OFFICE, Red. A state administrative AGENCY. An agency of the EXECUTIVE BRANCH not the Judicial Branch.
Fail.
LoL. Is that right OBot? I would have never guessed they were not part of the judiciary. /sarcasm No "fail" - NOT at all OBot.
And OBot you should inform OBama and his OBot lawyers to your "brilliant insight" that this GA state agency is not part of the judiciary branch of government and therefore has no power to keep Obama off the GA pres. ballot. LoL.
However FoggyBot OBot, Obama's lawyer thinks this venue has the power, (i.e. a "Competent jurisdiction") to cause trouble that could keep Obama off the Georgia state 2012 presidential ballot.
So Obama's lawyer filed a motion to dismiss as seen here on this thread -
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/12/obamas-private-attorney-files-motion-to.html
And now, the judge has granted Taitz her motion to add Laurie Roth as a Plaintiff (A presidential candidate). Furthermore, Taitz was "GRANTED" extended time by Judge Malihi to respond to Obama's motion as "SO ORDERED" written on the judge's "ORDER."
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/
"However FoggyBot OBot, Obama's lawyer thinks this venue has the power, (i.e. a "Competent jurisdiction") to cause trouble that could keep Obama off the Georgia state 2012 presidential ballot.
So Obama's lawyer filed a motion to dismiss as seen here on this thread -"
Of course he did. It's what one does as an attorney to dispose of a case at the earliest possible time. It's lawyering 101. It doesn't mean he believes there's merit, rather he believes there's not and wants it dismissed based on the law.
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/12/obamas-private-attorney-files-motion-to.html
"And now, the judge has granted Taitz her motion to add Laurie Roth as a Plaintiff (A presidential candidate). Furthermore, Taitz was "GRANTED" extended time by Judge Malihi to respond to Obama's motion as "SO ORDERED" written on the judge's "ORDER." "
It's easier to dispose of 5 challenges which are all related than 5 separate ones, although if the 5 separate ones brought up the same issues the result in all five would be the same, whether handled separately or all together.
And none of Orly's "clients" are serious presidential candidates, they are prospective presidential challengers, nothing more.
@Anonymous
It's easier to dispose of 5 challenges which are all related than 5 separate ones, although if the 5 separate ones brought up the same issues the result in all five would be the same, whether handled separately or all together.
Bordering on a non sequitur. According to a OSAH Administrative Law Judges website, they handle "election disputes" within the state of Georgia. Regardless to what gov branch they fall under, it will be up to the laws of the state of Georgia to what powers this court has within its state borders as binding, and not what a Foggy OBot says or BSs.
"Bordering on a non sequitur. According to a OSAH Administrative Law Judges website, they handle "election disputes" within the state of Georgia. Regardless to what gov branch they fall under, it will be up to the laws of the state of Georgia to what powers this court has within its state borders as binding, and not what a Foggy OBot says or BSs."
Their decision will be a decision they are by law empowered to make, which is whether Obama is allowed to stay on the GA primary ballot... he will be.
Then there is the appeal process of which the challengers can avail themselves.
You fancy yourself a legal scholar. I expected you to have ferreted all that out by now. Just to save you some time, however, the entire process is covered by O.C.G.A 21-2-5 (a)
(1) The Secretary of State refers a ballot challenge to the OSAH, for findings and recommendations.
(2) Based upon the ALJ's findings, the Secretary of State makes a determination whether the candidate's name shall appear on the ballot.
(3) The voter who challenged the candidate has the right of review. Review is obtained by filing an appeal to the Superior Court for Fulton County.
(4) The Superior Court reviews for legal error.
(5) If either party doesn't like the Fulton County Superior Court's judgment, appeal is taken to the state court of appeals (which has mandatory appellate jurisdiction) or to the state supreme court (which has discretionary appellate jurisdiction).
@Anonymous
Their decision will be a decision they are by law empowered to make, which is whether Obama is allowed to stay on the GA primary ballot... he will be.
Not if there is an honest adjudication to Obama's eligibility.
And they would actually find that Obama is not eligible to be on the GA ballot or really any other ballot. At that point, the OBots will whine and cry and take the case to the judicial system as stated in number 5 above that you provided.
The OBots are missing the big picture here.
Usually Conservatives are always the ones playing defense against the march toward Socialism/Marxism/Totalitarianism led by the Media and Dems over the last many decades. But this time, you OBots are playing defense on the issue of Constitutional usurpation. If the GA OSAH Administrative Court comes out on the side of the plaintiffs and they still lose in the state court, you OBots still lose as that would be a big crack in the OBot facade, which would lead to an eventual crumble.
I take a long strategic viewpoint on the natural born citizenship issue. The Constitutionalists may not get Obama out while he is occupying the office, however, they can still prevent future candidates from presidential usurpation by their lack of US Constitutional eligibility. The advantage of time and persistence and an honest accounting of history is on our side and not yours.
The State of Georgia (through the OSAH or its courts) is not going to remove President Obama from the ballot.
That you will disagree with this eventual ruling does not make it a dishonest adjudication.
"RS said...[Reply]
@Anonymous
Their decision will be a decision they are by law empowered to make, which is whether Obama is allowed to stay on the GA primary ballot... he will be.
Not if there is an honest adjudication to Obama's eligibility. "
Setting up your excuse already, I see, the one all birthers use when they use a court decision... it must be wrong and the courts corrupt and complicit in some major coverup if it doesn't agree with you.
The honest adjudication, according to the law, will come down on the side of the defendant, and he'll be on the ballot, and will be on all the ballots.
As to appealing, if the plaintiffs lose I'm virtually certain the plaintiffs will also appeal the decision. That's what's available to either party.
Of all the state election laws I've reviewed, it is in GA where there is/was the best chance for the "issue" to move through the courts. If Mr. Farrar had kept Orly out of his challenge it had a good chance of doing so. She's totally mucked up his complaint to where the chances are slim of even receiving a hearing, but not totally out of the question... yet. Perhaps the others will fare better in that respect.
You seem to think the Obots don't want the issue to reach the Supreme Court. In fact, they couldn't care less. History, the Constitution and the law state Obama and anyone else similarly situated is eligible to the office of the presidency or vice presidency. If the issue ever reaches the Supreme Court they could overturn Wong Kim Ark but, at present, he and any others like him are eligible. It has never been otherwise.
I suspect that even if the Supreme Court came out and stated so very plainly, in 5th grade language, it still would not be accepted by those who claim otherwise. They would merely claim the Court was corrupt, bought off, etc.
I've enjoyed the exchanges. I hope you and yours have a Merry Christmas and a Blessed New Year. And that goes for everyone here.
@Anonymous December 21, 2011 4:52 PM
"Setting up your excuse already, I see, the one all birthers use when they use a court decision... it must be wrong and the courts corrupt and complicit in some major coverup if it doesn't agree with you.
The honest adjudication, according to the law, will come down on the side of the defendant, and he'll be on the ballot, and will be on all the ballots."
Setting up your own excuses already as well, eh Obot?
History and the Constitution are on Obama's side? Right. And Obama is in fact the 4th best POTUS in history, and possibly better than the first three. Just ask him, he'll tell you so himself. LOL
Take heart fellow patriots !..obersturmbanfeurer Eric Von Holder has resorted to the idiot "race card" only a few days ago ..in trying to explain his inability to jive ,ooze ,browbeat and shimmie his way arround a sticky little bit international terrorism .(ie cross border arms smuggling ,cop killing and oh ..did I mention mass murder ? ).
herr Holder has already committed felony perjury before the HCO and now has apparently misplaced ALL of his own emails pertaining to this dang "fast and furious " ..thing .
once the unavoidable facts leak out per his little homicide fiesta in mexico AND its OBVIOUS connections to the dear leader's WH ,all this bullshit obfuscation and oily treason drivel on the soetoro BC will tumble down like some warsaw pact ,stalin era dictatorship .
obat vermin ,you have scuttled about under the cover of darkness provided by your odious friends in the shamestream media and this treasonous judiciary for THREE years now.you have managed to swindle ,decieve and smear your way past every issue of election ,ID ,SS fraud and forgery but now we are seeing the true face of your hideously repugnant master ...ie, wholesale MURDER and international terrorism ..merely to make true an oft told anti gun rights lie .
everyone ,please see ALL the HCO hearings to date a watch AG holder and his brown shirt deputies dissemble ,lie and sweat while the noose slowly tightens arround their wretched scrawny little traitor's necks .every time they think they have wiggled free another bit of evidence floats free from the obama sewer blockage to reinvigorate the soon to be prosecution .
holder and napaletano clearly lack the basic deception skills of even the most unlettered of obat schills in this very forum .they cant even be bothered to properly reherse their perjuries ...lol ,watch them lie to congress on YT .they truly SUCK at it .when they HANG ,fuddy ,chiyomi and fukino will piss themselves in terror .
soon ,the kitchen light will be clicked ON and all you obat invertebrates will be stampeding one another to reach the darkness under the sink and behind the refrigerator and garbage bins ..
you gotta know that when holder has to revert to the "their just out to get me because im black " ploy and "the dog ate ALL my emails" defence ,that he is in some really SERIOUS straights .
scuttle about in darkness and poop on everything while you still can ,odious, vile ,segmented ones ..the hand of American justice is feeling about for the light switch even as we speak.
obama's verminous, criminally insane DOJ is comming unglued ,that arrogant lieing bull dyke at DHS will also fall and possibly our heavy legged halfwit ,secretary of state too...once this happens ..the small time cockroaches in hawaii will ALSO be uncovered and ALL this endless bizarro world bullshit will END .
you little twats only thought you had to whore out your souls for a cheesy ratf#k con man and forger but you are actually aiding and abetting a cynical ,casual ,mass murderer ..so far ,three hundred corpses ..cops ,govt soldados ,lawyers and regular ordinary working people ,merely grist for the obatzi anti gun agenda .
i know ,you obatzi culos are thinking ,hey wtf (they're only mexicans )..but still ,this stench aint going away EVER and even CNN,CBS MSNBC and the deadly "race card " aint gonna protect obama's high lord executioner ,not this time .
its not too late ,renounce the scuttling insect life and redeem your humanity ,OK..perhaps you signed on to cover for a bit of simple fraud ,ID theft and forgery but NOT murder and certainly NOT mass murder ..think about it.. at least .
You may be righi on the subpoena, but it is a fact That Obama has to go to trial to proove is legal status to be president and that will be in Georgia, SO, suck on that thought for a while.
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