Farrar|Welden|Swensson|Powell v. Obama - Order Denying Orly Taitz's
Letters Rogatory for Hawaii Documents Related to Obama
Order: The parties may file any post hearing pleadings by Wednesday, February 1, 2012. The Court will issue a recommendation to the Secretary of State shortly thereafter. The Court has reviewed the motion by Plaintiffs, Farrar, Lax, Judy, Malaren, and Roth, to direct and/or request the Court in Hawaii to order the release of certain Hawaii documents to the Plaintiffs. This Court lacks jurisdiction or authority to direct or request documents from Hawaii. Plaintiffs' motion is denied.
SO ORDERED, this the 27th day of January, 2012.
Full Order below and here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/79613378/Farrar-Welden-Swensson-Powell-Order-Denying-Taitz-s-Letters-Rogatory-for-Hawaii-Documents-Related-to-Obama-1-27-2012
Previous reports on the Georgia ballot challenge here: http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/search?q=Georgia+Ballot+Access+Challenges
ARTICLE II ELIGIBILITY FACTS HERE: http://www.art2superpac.com/issues.html
127 comments:
I guess this blog and Dean were correct. Looks like some people owe them an apology.
At least the fraud is put on notice that he must provide proof of his eligibility to be on the Georgia presidential primary ballot. Ignore that and we can only conclude that he has something to hide.
And he better have a good case to prove that he is a natural-born citizen if indeed he was born in Hawaii to a Kenyan/British subject father and not the garbage that attorney Leo Donofrio rightly slaps down: http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2012/01/27/the-dirty-little-secret-of-the-natural-born-citizen-clause-revealed/
And one domino is down ...
@Anonymous
I guess if the Judge had a murderer on trial and he needed some evidence from Hawaii, he couldn't get it..
Orly apologize? pffft!
Can, and will Van Irion, or Mark Hatfield request that the judge make a holding on Minor v Happersett establishing Supreme Court precedednt on the definition of the Constitutional term 'natural born Citizen'?
Who cares, the focus needs to stay on his non-nbc status.
This doesn't really change anything but I'm sure the Obots will be gloating about something.
IMO, this is not a good sign. A judge allowing 'post-pleadings', in essance giving the defendants another opportunity to make a defense after they gave the court their middle finger.
WHY?
what is the matter with some of you people ? at least orly tried , that is more than the other attorneys did . that does not make dean haskins correct . orly and her clients did not know that the court in ga. did not have jurisdiction . she had to submit a formal request to get a correct answer from the judge . will you people please get off orly's back . the evidence of obama forgery , fraud and identity fraud would not be in the hands of the court in ga. if it had not been for orly going there with the witnesses and the evidence and laying it out for the court . now , at least one court has a record of all that evidence due to the work and perseverance of orly taitz .
Now that the evidence was submitted, would Oscama have to contest it if there were an appeal filed?
what does this mean?
That fact that Obama is not willing to provide these documents voluntarily tells me EVERYTHING that I need to know about his eligibility.
The Rusty Humphries radio show had the Georgia Secretary of State on last night and Drudge has mentioned the Georgia case. Apparently, not mentioning the birth certificate matter makes a big difference - the "natural born" matter is more palpable to a lot of people. TURN THE HEAT UP AND POUR IT ON!!!!!
It really does not matter. Van Irion's case [in part] relies on the "colb" to
be true, showing Obama Sr. to be a Kenyan. The other cases have "witnesses" proving
the Whitehouse copy to be a forgery.
Either way Obama is screwed.
orly knew this. she merely wanted it in the court record.
Can the Secretary of State in Georgia request these documents from Hawaii now that there's a challenge?
A natural born citizen
is exactly
what a statutory citizen is not.
2 US Citizen parents, born on US soil
@Anonymous Hear! HEAR! Orly is ONLY defamed by those who are jealous of her successes! She's a modern Joan d'Arc if there ever was one. We should have a national holiday to honor her efforts to KEEP OUR CONSTITUTION IN FORCE.
Dr. Taitz does not need the original BC from Hawaii. She challenged Obama's eligibility and it is up to Obama to show evidence that he is eligible. Obama showed the court nothing. Therefore, he has not established his eligibility.
If Obama is allowed to provide his forged BC in briefs submitted between now and Feb. 1, then Dr. Taitz should be allowed by the court to counter with the original BC, since the claim that Obama's document is a copy of the original BC is disputed. The court cannot decide the case based on Obama's document by itself. The court would not know if the document is really a copy of the original or is a Photoshop creation that the experts have already testified to during the hearing.
Hawaii Revised Statute 338-18, Disclosure of Records:
(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:
(9) A person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction;
The fact that the court was considering one/more cases based in part on upon Barack Hussein Obama's Hawaii birth records makes it a court of competent jurisdication.
Hawaii just trickfucks and muckalucks and footdrags and wallygags and wordsmiths and
because they aint got shit
fuck hawaii, buncha fucking treasonous crooks
Suspicious docs, numbers, papers, etc are supporting evidence at this point.
The real issue is barry is not a NBC. Period.
Pray that the Judge has the right ruling for GA SoS.
Carl Swennson has issued an apology to Orly for the ugly, ugly comments Carl made about her being a birther. But GiveUsLiberty1776 is not posting comments he doesn't agree with on his site. He deleted comments pro Orly and against Swennson on his site. Gary Wilmont does not Give Us Freedom of speech.
Well. That was pretty anti-climatic.
What's next?
It's really sad that our country has come to this, HI refusing to release something they already said was authentic, and GA can't force them to produse.
ORLY, Drop the request, DO YOU GET IT??? It's NOT all about you. I noticed that many left when you came up yesterday, you are totally disorgonized, it took you forever to even bring your point and you are hurting the cause. Time to call it a day. Stop now and let the pros handle this.
Since redunancy seems to be the novelty of the day, let's get all the legalese out of the way and take a look at the actual definition the court used to define those who are born citizens.
The SCOTUS decision in Slaughter House(The Slaughter-House Cases, 83 U.S. (16 Wall.) 36 (1872), which Gray cited in Elk(Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94 (1884), but then for some unknown reason omitted in WKA, stated:
The distinction between citizenship by birth and citizenship by naturalization is clearly marked in the provisions of the Constitution, by which
“No person, except a natural born citizen or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the office of President,” and “The Congress shall have power to establish an uniform rule of naturalization.” Constitution, Article II, Section 1; Article I, Section 8. By the Thirteenth Amendment of the Constitution, slavery was prohibited. The main object of the opening sentence of the Fourteenth Amendment was to settle the question, upon which there had been a difference of opinion throughout the country and in this Court, as to the citizenship of free negroes ( 60 U. S. 73; Strauder v. West Virginia,@ 100 U. S. 303, 100 U. S. 306.)
This section contemplates two sources of citizenship, and two sources only: birth and naturalization. The persons declared to be citizens are “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”; The evident meaning of these last words is not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance. And the words relate to the time of birth in the one case, as they do to the time of naturalization in the other. Persons not thus subject to the jurisdiction of the United States at the time of birth cannot become so afterwards except by being naturalized
Justices Miller, Waite(defining A2S1C5) & Gray(defining 14th Amendment) concurred that “subject to the jurisdiction” as it pertains to both A2S1C5 “AND” the opening phrase of the 14th, “born or naturalized” holds but one definition and that is but one allegiance, either at birth or upon acquiring citizenship through naturalization. Gray used the prior courts decision regarding the definition of natural born to define those born under the 14th. The word “natural” was not added to the 14th simply because they were following the rules for law making and because placing the word "natural" into the language of the 14th would have created a redundancy because of the phrase in the 14th that states “, and subject to the jurisdiction”.
Linda @ constitutionallyspeaking.wordpress.com
I wonder how much Orly is getting paid the Obama re-election committee? Or is she working for them for free?
I have always kept a copy of the Constitution and Bill of Rights framed at my home and a small copy on my person. But I am still amazed at what I didn't know and what I continue to learn about this Great Country. It is obvious from all the reading and research that I have since completed that Mr Obama is not and never was eligible to be the President of the United States hence he is not eligible to run "again" for President of these United States. Add all that to the fact that there has been voter fraud found in Iowa, and first hand accounts of voter fraud in S Carolina, I do not think Obama actually won the election in the first place. Getting him off the ballot of every state if nothing else is the way to go. Further supporting Ron Paul for President
is the answer to saving America which will only happen with honest vote counting. Get involved locally, we need to hold everyone accountable for their actions at all levels of government.
Lastly there is a lot to do before the election, I hope we are all on the same page and standing together to get this country back on track! I wanted to recommend that everyone get a small copy of the Constitution, cheaply available on Amazon, it is good to carry it, share it, and teach others to understand it and hence understand how important it is to the Freedom, of We The People.
@Anonymous @ 12:49
"orly and her clients did not know that the court in ga. did not have jurisdiction ."
WTF? Jurisdiction -- and its limits -- is covered in the first few weeks of the first semester of law school civil procedure. Why shouldn't Orly be expected to know what every other lawyer in the United States knows? It's hornbook law.
@Anonymous @ 12:50
Why would Obama contest the only relevant evidence that the plaintiffs offered? Hatfield and Irion offered -- and the court admitted -- the LFBC as evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii. Since that is the premise of Obama's case, what possible reason would he have to shoot down the birth certificate?
As for the rest of the evidence, the judge will disregard it because it doesn't go to the NBC issue. At the end of day, after Orly put on all her evidence of SSNs and Lolo Soetoro's immigration file, etc., did she DISPROVE that Obama was born in Hawaii? Did she DISPROVE that he was born in the United States? No. So there is no reason to rebut all the noise.
@RacerJim
"The fact that the court was considering one/more cases based in part on upon Barack Hussein Obama's Hawaii birth records makes it a court of competent jurisdication."
It may be a court. But it has no jurisdiction. Hence, it cannot be a court of competent jurisdiction.
What, in the court's OWN WORDS that it lacks jurisdiction, don't you grasp?
@ RacerJim.... "The fact that the court was considering one/more cases based in part on upon Barack Hussein Obama's Hawaii birth records makes it a court of competent jurisdication."
Not only is Malihi's court not a court of competent jurisdiction, it's not a court at all. It is part of the executive branch, not the judicial branch.
It's in the GA Code.
"Anonymous said...[Reply]
@Anonymous
I guess if the Judge had a murderer on trial and he needed some evidence from Hawaii, he couldn't get it.."
A, this judge would never be trying such a case, or any criminal case. That aside, no, this judge can not, he does not have that authority. It's not a court of the judicial branch, rather the executive.
@Anonymous @ 3:05
Carl Swennson also admitted that Judge Malihi did not enter a default judgment. Which, by the way, is not what the judge even said. The OSAH rules allow for a default order, which merely closes the evidentiary record to further submissions by the defaulting party. It does not result in a decision in favor of the other party.
"Anonymous said...[Reply]
Dr. Taitz does not need the original BC from Hawaii. She challenged Obama's eligibility and it is up to Obama to show evidence that he is eligible. Obama showed the court nothing. Therefore, he has not established his eligibility."
The plaintiffs' attorneys submitted copies of the long- and short-form, stipulated to their authenticity and offered them for proof of the matters asserted and the judge admitted them.
Orly, on the other hand, authenticated no documents, they're all hearsay and inadmissible if the judge goes by GA rules of evidence.
Just because something is presented, or even admitted, does not necessarily make it competent evidence/proof... weight and credibility are always considered, as is authentication, etc.
In the case of the BCs, however, their authenticity and content were stipulated to, therefore they were admitted as competent evidence/proof of the matters asserted.
That's how it works.
i would think a similar hearing could be established in Hawaii. The democraic party elections official in Hawaii wouldnt put the legal language in for eligibility.
http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/01/o-con-had-legal-help-from-non-partisan.html
Obama appeared on the Hawaiian ballot in 2008. However, Schatz knew there was no documented evidence confirming Obama's eligibility, yet he allowed the DNC to circumvent his authority, without protest.
W
Orly has worked her behind off for the AMERICAN PEOPLE, for that she deserves our thanks, but the fact is she is totally disorganized and frankly a lousy attorney. She doesn't have the ability to SHUT UP AND LISTEN and only seems to care about herself and her own campaign anymore.
ORLY, Stop making everyone questioning Obama's legitimacy look like idiots and leave the stage. We appreciate your hard work but you have NEVER been able to stop Obama from anything. Let the Pros handle this from here on, otherwise you are doing more damage than good.
-ORLY, Drop the request, DO YOU GET IT??? It's NOT all about you. I noticed that many left when you came up yesterday, you are totally disorgonized, it took you forever to even bring your point and you are hurting the cause. Time to call it a day. Stop now and let the pros handle this.
-I wonder how much Orly is getting paid the Obama re-election committee? Or is she working for them for free?
Dirt Bags.
I can't help but notice that all of the 'birthers' that support Orly also happen to be the ones who like to scream and call other people names on these blogs. All of the 'birthers' who accept reality and like to be honest about the facts, with no emotion involved, are not fans of Orly.
That being said, I think there has been some less than factual claims. The cases that submitted the short-form and long-form were cases completely separate and independent from Orly's case. Just because the validity of those documents was accepted as a fact in those cases, does NOT mean that Orly can't question their veracity in her case or that the judge will simply say they ARE valid in relation to Orly's case.
Both cases are different and begin from different starting points. One doesn't affect the other.
Obama Supporter Arrested For Death Threats to Joe Arpaio; He wanted Joe dead"
-snip-
"His threat reads in part: I plan to kill Arpaio first. He will be filled with a thousand bullet holes before the year is out. I promise you this. He won't f**k with Obama. He will be buried 10 feet under and his whole family will be murdered along with him.
The website said things like he's going to fill Arpaio, his wife and kids, and his deputies with 100 bullets."
-end snip-
Crazy OBot.
BirtherReport.com/ObamaReleaseYourRecords.com Leads to Arrest of an Obot who Threatened to Kill Sheriff Joe for his Investigation into Obama's Eligibility
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/01/birtherreportcom-leads-to-arrest-of.html
The Georgia Supreme Court doesn't lack jurisdiction.
@Anonymous @ 5:57
"The Georgia Supreme Court doesn't lack jurisdiction."
And we're not in the Georgia Supreme Court now, are we? Take a clue from the caption in the Order: Office of State Administrative hearings.
@Anonymous
Mmhhh, if to be president you need two US citizens as parents....that rules out george Washington.....
@Anonymous
"Mmhhh, if to be president you need two US citizens as parents....that rules out george Washington....."
No stupid! Can you comprehend simple English?
Article II of the U.S. Constitution reads,
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
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@Anonymous@3:47 p.m.
Had me going there for a minute Grasshopper. You are making sense until......Ron Paul. Ron Paul advocates some sensible ideas on some issues, but he is without question a loon on others. A part-time loon cannot, and will never, be POTUS. He knows it - even admits it - the part about never being POTUS anyway. You need to wake up and smell the coffee. Your affinity for Paul undercuts anything else you might say. Loon = never POTUS. Paul is a loon.
The good judge has everything he needs to make a decision on this, so lets not go nuts. All he has to do is read Minor v Happersett to see that the nbC definition was established and Obummer has repeatedly said that BHO, Sr. was his daddy so I don't see the problem here.
Maybe Orly wants to put the HDOH on the hook, knowing they can't produce anything but a forgery and that's fine but it's not needed in this case IMO. All the judge needs is right there in front of him. :)
"Both cases are different and begin from different starting points. One doesn't affect the other."
Yes, they do. The judge granted separate hearings, but there's only one case number. Therefore, they are treated as one. As the central issue is the same in all... Is Obama eligible to be on the GA primary ballot.
Even if we accept your premise, Orly did not present and evidence or proof of anything that bears on his eligibility. To be considered, evidence must be competent... Admissible, not hearsay, documents must be authenticated, etc. none of that was done by Orly. The closest she came was her own testimony that she could verify that she downloaded a document from the Internet, which is miles from authenticating a document for admissibility. That's hearsay.
Quote from Anonymous Obot @ 6:41 PM:
@Anonymous
":Mmhhh, if to be president you need two US citizens as parents....that rules out george Washington...."
Wow, somebody must be sending in some new untrained Obots. The regulars may be scumbags, but the new ones are even more ignorant than the regulars.
@Anonymous
Amazing, now you expect authentication.
@Anonymous
":Mmhhh, if to be president you need two US citizens as parents....that rules out george Washington...."
Interesting, must be one of them newly brainwashed obots....
Anon 6:41
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/....ause-reveal ed/
I have followed this topic for years. ALL 3 attorneys (& their brave clients) deserve a "courage award" for standing up to tyranny. BUT -- Apparently, I ( a very distant relative of Pres G Bush the younger) am the only one that has inherited Bush's "keen sense of strategery";
strategery runs in our blood. So- Wake up folks-- the reason that the Judge gave BOTH SIDES until Feb 1st, 2012 to submit additional WRITTEN briefs is so that Ms. Taitz can include in her written brief the "initial executive summary report by lawman Joe Arpaio". Joe was on the witness list. Joe announced MONTHS ago that he would issue a "summary type" report on Obama crimes on Feb. 1st, followed by the entire 3,000 pages by Mid _ February. REMEMBER !!! When Mahlili finally writes a decision judgement-- it will contain investigative proof by the Cold Case Posse. Now that is what I call strategery. Well, I gotta get back to shovelin' the cow poo-- lots of work for an ex- president to do. Hey -- maybe Obama can help me REAL SOON. GWB
“ELIGIBILITY ATTORNEY: OBAMA NEEDS IMPEACHING”
‘WE DON’T HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC ANY LONGER’
by Bob Unruh
January 26, 2012
Excerpt:
“One of the attorneys who argued before a Georgia judge today that Barack Obama is ineligible to have his name on the state’s 2012 presidential ballot says the president’s decision to snub the court system and ignore the hearing is a dangerous precedent that threatens the foundation of the United States.
“We have a president who has openly refused to comply with a legal order of the judicial branch,” Van Irion told WND after today’s hearing before Administrative Law Judge Michael Malihi concluded in Atlanta.
[...]
“Irion told WND a decision on the substance of the hearing was important to get on the record. He said often when one party simply refuses to show up for a hearing, a default judgment is the result.
He said in this case he would not have wanted such a result, because that would not have allowed the evidence to be entered into the record, which undoubtedly will find its way into an appellate court system.
“At this point, there’s really nothing we can do [about Obama.] IF [OBAMA] CAN IGNORE THE JUDICIARY, WE DON'T HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC ANY LONGER. WE HAVE A DICTATORSHIP,” he said.
Irion said THAT THERE ARE PROCEDURES AND ACTIONS AVAILABLE, SUCH AS SEEKING A WRIT OF MANDAMUS FROM A HIGHER COURT, OR OBAMA'S ATTORNEY COULD SIMPLY HAVE ARGUED THE COURT DOESN'T HAVE JURISDICTION.
“THEY DIDN'T DO THAT,” he said. “THE DIDN'T FOLLOW THE [LEGAL] PROCESS. [OBAMA] said, ‘I DON'T AGREE WITH THE COURT, I'M JUST GOING TO IGNORE IT' THAT'S ONE THING YOU CAN'T DO."
HE SAID THE ACTIONS VERY CLEARLY STATE THAT OBAMA BELIEVES HE IS ABOVE AND BEYOND THE LAWS THAT ARE APPLIED TO THE REST OF SOCIETY.
AND HE SAID THERE SHOULD BE CONSEQUENCES.
WHENEVER A PRESIDENT DOES THAT, THEY HAVE ESSENTIALLY SAID, ‘I AM ABOVE THE LAW, ABOVE THE CONSTITUTION, ABOVE OTHER BRANCHES.’ THAT IS AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE. THE VERY FOUNDATIONS OF OUR SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT ARE AT STAKE HERE.”
He noted even Nixon during Watergate and Clinton during the scandals over his sexual antics seemed to follow the procedures.
Irion noted that Obama previously stepped on the wrong side of the law in attacking Arizona’s immigration plan, in taking over banks and car companies, and other situations.
But he said this is the “most blatant” example.
IT'S ONE THING TO MANEUVER AND MANIPULATE, HE NOTED, BUT ANOTHER SIMPLY TO REFUSE TO DEAL WITH SUCH A COURT ORDER.
“IF THIS DOESN'T LEAD TO IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS, EVERYONE IN CONGRESS IS RESPONSIBLE,” he said.”
See The Entire Article Here:
http://www.wnd.com/2012/01/eligibility-attorney-obama-needs-impeaching/
In my opinion, a better strategy would be: IF obama or the DNC pushes for obama to be put on the ballot, assuming SoS Kemp denies, [then] proof must be provided by defendant.... in which case, the court/judge isn't trying to reach out of its/his jurisdiction, but putting the onus on the one making the claim of his (il)legitimacy.
Of course GA court can't compel another state to do something, BUT, if someone is a visitor to the state of GA, said individual is subject to GA's LAW. Want to get on the ballot AND you've been challenged? Your responsibility to prove you're legitimate.... as we all know, would fail for the fraud-in-chief, incumbent.
@socrates1
In my opinion, if Obama's name is stricken from the March 6 ballot the Georgia Democratic Party will attend the national convention and STILL cast their votes for Obama.
These three challenges will have changed nothing.
Orly was denied letters rogatory? But ... but ... but ...
On January 13 she filed an amended ex parte motion in Hawaii in which she declared:
"I, Dr. Orly Taitz, ESQ, declare under penalty of perjury, that I was given a commission ..."
She swore, under oath, that a Georgia court had given her what a Georgia court today denied her.
There's a word for that. Hmmm, let me think ...
Oh, yeah. Perjury.
First, by submitting Obama's COLB and relying on Minor v Happersett, Hatfield and Irion have already stipulated that Obama was born in Hawaii.
Second, Malihi can decide for the plaintiffs, true, but he doesn't have the authority to decide the meaning of NBC. Hatfield and Irion's show was simply to introduce their concepts into the record.
Third, Kemp is under no obligation to follow Malihi's suggestion, inasmuch as GA state law stipulates that the DNC, not the GA SOS, is responsible for vetting their candidates. Kemp will know this.
Orly told Hawaii she was given a commission = 2 weeks before she actually requested one?
Unbelievable....
Please be advised, the exceptionally good news is:
Every Act and/or Executive Order signed into law or issued by Barack Hussein Obama is NULL AND VOID! I.e. void ab initio for want of authority and jurisdiction.
--infohiway
The issue is quite simple. To be President of the USA or to run for the Presidency of the USA, Obama must be a "natural born citizen" according to the Constitution of the USA. The term "natural born citizen" has been defined previously and it requires two conditions:
1) Obama must be born in the USA.
Obama's long form birth certificate that Obama has provided through the White House web site HAS BEEN DECLARED BY MANY EXPERTS TO BE SIMPLY A FORGERY!!!
---See evidence that Obama forged the birth certificate that was posted on the White House servers on 27 April 2011 (!!) at http://www.scribd.com/collections/3166684
---See evidence that Obama is using a Social Security Number (SSN) 042-68-4425 that was not legally issued to him but to someone else (!!) at http://www.scribd.com/collections/3260742
---Just type the keywords Obama long form birth certificate forgery in www.google.com and you will find many articles that thoroughly explain why Obama's long form birth certificate is simply a forgery!!!
---Therefore, the only way to check this long form birth certificate is to go to Hawaii and to check directly the original long form birth certificate and in particular to assess if even this original is genuine that is if it is not also a forgery to cover up for the possible fact that Obama was never born in Hawaii!!
2) Obama's parents MUST BOTH be American citizens.
We know that Obama's father was a Kenyan and that he NEVER was an American citizen!!!!!
Therefore, THIS SECOND CONDITION ALONE DISQUALIFIES OBAMA TO RUN FOR THE PRESIDENCY OF THE USA AND IT ALSO DISQUALIFIES OBAMA TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE USA, NO MATTER THE FACT THAT HE WON THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION!!!!!!
Furthermore, Obama was confronted with the definition of what a "natural born citizen" is when he directly participated in the investigation of John McCain's eligibility to run for the Presidency of the USA. Obama then signed Senate Resolution 511 from April 30, 2008 that reveals the indispensable requirement of having two US citizen parents in order to be a "natural born citizen" according to the Constitution of the USA and therefore to be eligible to run for the Presidency of the USA or to be President of the USA!!!!!
Therefore, once again, Obama knew very well that he FRAUDULENTLY decided to run for the Presidency of the USA despite the fact that he knew perfectly well that he was NOT a natural born citizen and therefore that he was not entitled, according to the Constitution of the USA, to be President of the USA.
First Conclusion:
---Obama is NOT a natural born citizen and therefore he is not entitled to run for the Presidency of the USA nor is he entitled to be President of the USA, no matter the fact that he won the Presidential election!!!!
If you really want to have an expert legal explanation on what a "natural born citizen" truly is according to the Constitution of the USA and why legally speaking it is this way, then I suggest that you read at least a few articles on Attorney Mario Apuzzo's web site "Natural Born Citizen - A Place to Ask Questions and Get the Right Answers" at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/
In particular, read:
---"The Natural Born Citizen Clause of Our U.S. Constitution Requires that Both of the Child’s Parents Be U.S. Citizens At the Time of Birth" at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/09/natural-born-citizen-clause-requires.html
The Judge is being extremely proficient. This is a Georgia State investigation where the burden of proof is the responsibility of the applicant not Hawaii. Therefore by not offering the verifying documents to the court it of the their own peril that they be denied.
"FINALLY, AN ACTUAL HEARING ON ELIGIBILITY"
"EXCLUSIVE: JOSEPH FARAH NOTES, AFTER 4 LONG YEARS 'JUSTICE MAY YET PREVAIL"
Joseph Farah
Between The Lines
WND.com
January 27, 2012
Excerpt:
"For four long years, compelling evidence has been available that challenges the constitutional eligibility of Barack Obama to occupy the White House.
IN FACT, I WOULD SAY THE EVIDENCE THAT HE DOES NOT MEET THE SIMPLE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAW IS OVERWHELMING.
[...]
In the courtroom of Judge Michael Malihi of the Georgia Office of State Administrative Hearings, sworn testimony was delivered rapid-fire over two hours to the effect that Obama is not qualified to have his name on the 2012 presidential ballot because his father was not a U.S. citizen, which precludes him from being a “natural-born citizen,” a clear, unambiguous requirement of the Constitution.
Obama refused to honor a subpoena to attend the hearing, produce records answering the charges or even send legal representation to dispute the evidence. Instead, they sent a letter to Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp suggesting the judge was letting attorneys “run amok.”
In response, Kemp warned Obama and his counsel that if they chose not to participate in the proceedings, “you do so at your own peril.”
The judge is expected to rule in the case shortly. However, he has little choice but to issue a default judgment in favor of the challenge – potentially removing Obama from the ballot in Georgia in November."
See The Article Here:
http://www.wnd.com/2012/01/finally-an-actual-hearing-on-eligibility/
Rikker will have a very high position in Oscummers communist govt. I remember him from Plains radio days. I hope he has a shitload of kids who will if
Oscummer is reelected have to live under a dictatorship. Rikker your nuts.
"“We have a president who has openly refused to comply with a legal order of the judicial branch,” Van Irion told WND after today’s hearing before Administrative Law Judge Michael Malihi concluded in Atlanta."
If WND accurately reported what Van Irion said, I find that a bit troubling that an attorney doesn't even know in front of which branch of government he was appearing.
"AR925 said...[Reply]
The good judge has everything he needs to make a decision on this, so lets not go nuts. All he has to do is read Minor v Happersett to see that the nbC definition was established and Obummer has repeatedly said that BHO, Sr. was his daddy so I don't see the problem here."
Whenever any party raises issues under either the Georgia or United States Constitution, the sections of any laws or rules constitutionally challenged and any constitutional provisions such laws or rules are alleged to violate must be stated with specificity. In addition, an allegation of unconstitutionality must be supported by a statement either of the basis for the claim of unconstitutionality as a matter of law or of the facts under which the party alleges that the law or rule is unconstitutional as applied to the party. Although the Administrative Law Judge is not authorized to resolve constitutional challenges to statutes or rules, the Administrative Law Judge may, in the Administrative Law Judge’s discretion, take evidence and make findings of fact relating to such challenges.
-I can't help but notice that all of the 'birthers' that support Orly also happen to be the ones who like to scream and call other people names on these blogs. All of the 'birthers' who accept reality and like to be honest about the facts, with no emotion involved, are not fans of Orly.
"Scream and call other people names" For example:
Orly has worked her behind off for the AMERICAN PEOPLE, for that she deserves our thanks, but the fact is she is totally disorganized and frankly a lousy attorney. She doesn't have the ability to SHUT UP AND LISTEN and only seems to care about herself and her own campaign anymore.
ORLY, Stop making everyone questioning Obama's legitimacy look like idiots and leave the stage. We appreciate your hard work but you have NEVER been able to stop Obama from anything. Let the Pros handle this from here on, otherwise you are doing more damage than good.
"All of the 'birthers' who accept reality and like to be honest about the facts, with no emotion involved, are not fans of Orly". For example:
"I must now make a Public apology for words I used, in a deragatory fashion, concerning Patriot Orly Taitz. We all make mistakes and that one was a real boner on my part. I do hope Orly will accept my apology as we are ALL in this fight together". -Carl Swenssen
Now for those of us that are fans of Orly: (Those that are'nt need not trouble themselves)
"Arpaio felt that testifying in GA was too much of a “burden”. Refused to appear"
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=30858
LONG LIVE THE QUEEN..!
This isn't over.
The judge just said that his (administrative) court could not require Hawaii to turn over the COLB to the PLAINTIFFS.
He said nothing about requiring Hawaii to turn the COLB over to a (criminal) COURT!
We have to wait until February 5 to see all the stuff (if any) that gets submitted, and his final ruling.
They better get on it, though. Georgia primary is March 6.
IT DIDN'T MATTER WHEN THE ILLINOIS LOTTERY DREW 666 THE DAY OF HIS VICTORY
"Just another miracle."
Geir Smith has been fighting Barack Obama since early 2008, when he discovered to his horror, that Obama was a Muslim. His hair stood on end further when, at Obama’s election victory, the Illinois Lottery drew 666. Geir Smith’s the only one in the world spreading this news worldwide to everyone. Geir’s background is Paris Dauphine University and five years of Tibetan language and culture. Geir Smith did 28 years of post-university research upon the Tantric deity Kalachakra, of which he is the world authority. Tibetan Tantric Buddhism is the world’s highest form of culture as it has sexual ritual. In the Kalachakra prophecy, there is an antichrist-figure like Obama: the Demon-King Krinmati. Fighting the Antichrist Obama is identic...al to realizing the Kalachakra Apocalypse. Geir Smith has the position of King of Shambhala, not the Dalai Lama. Geir Smith is Buddhist and thus being the messenger of the Christian Apocalypse is something which is alien to him and which he assumes reluctantly - totally by chance – because it just happened that he starting fighting Obama due to Obama being a Muslim. Then, discovering the Mark of 666 upon Obama unwillingly forced Geir Smith into this battle of Apocalypse. His background had trained him to face the Buddhist Demon King, not the Christian Antichrist, but they turned out to be the same one, Obama. Geir’s work is that of a religious Buddhist, and he’s a experienceded practitioner who has carried out an eight-month meditation retreat upon the Tantric deity Dorje Naljorma (Vajra Yogini).
"OBAMA PRESIDENCY CHALLENGED IN GEORGIA COURT TODAY: INELIGIBILITY EVIDENCE SUBMITTED IN TRIAL FOR THE FIRST TIME ~ STATE OF GEORGIA JANUARY 26, 2012"
Article & A Video Of Susan Daniels 1/26/2012
At The Court Hearing And Many Articles & Links Here:
http://politicalvelcraft.org/2012/01/26/video-today-obama-on-trial-in-georgia-constitutional-eligibility-hearing-in-georgia/
* * * *
"OBAMA BLOCKED FROM REGISTERING FOR ALABAMA STATE PRIMARY UNTIL ELIGIBILITY IS VALIDATED BY COURT"
http://politicalvelcraft.org/2012/01/13/obama-blocked-from-registering-for-alabama-state-primary-until-eligibility-is-validated-by-court/
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"BREAKING => TWO NEW STATES MASSACHUSETTS AND OBAMA'S VERY OWN ILLINOIS CHALLENGE BARACK'S OFFICIAL BALLOT ELIGIBILITY"
http://politicalvelcraft.org/2012/01/21/breaking-two-new-states-massachusetts-and-obamas-very-own-illinois-challenge-barracks-official-ballot-eligibility/
Orly's case presented yesterday was painful. She needs to get an English speaking non-heavy Russian accent clone to carry her cases. She did get in the testimony that the O.nonbC's documents are creative forgeries, his SSN is invalid, he uses several names and documents show that he existed as Barry Soetero in Indonesia for two years that Barack Hussin Obama, Jr. was going to school in HI. Not subpoenaing the originals from HI makes you wonder why O.whodat was subpoenaed to appear and produce them when the court had no jurisdiction. Seems to me Judge Malihi, is that an HI name?, just gave Jablonski his reason for not appearing with the faux POTUS.
Does anyone else thing the Judge in the photo with this article look like a Dracula-clone with a blond snack hovering in the background?
@rikker
White House confirms receipt of Nathan Deal letter questioning birthplace of Barack Obama
http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2010/01/08/white-house-confirms-receipt-of-nathan-deal-letter-questioning-birthplace-of-barack-obama/
Today Nathan Deal is our governor...may impact how Kemp rules. Just sayin'...
@Anonymous
@ 12:48
"Orly told Hawaii she was given a commission = 2 weeks before she actually requested one?
Unbelievable...."
Yep. She lied. Can you imagine that?
What else has Orly lied about?
@rikker
First, by submitting Obama's COLB and relying on Minor v Happersett, Hatfield and Irion have already stipulated that Obama was born in Hawaii.
Not correct Foggy-OBot. Hatfield didn't stipulate to that.
And
Taitz, when it was her turn, OBJECTED to that stupid Internet picture COLB and ONLY stipulated that Obama's father was a Kenyan citizen, and furthermore OButt, That silly .jpg pic is NOT a true copy that was issued by the originating document authority. You lose.
Sooo dumb donkey ass OBots, why has NOT Obama or his liewyers entered into evidence a genuine certified Obama HI birf certificate? I know why dumb OBots. Do you?
Taitz has been in trouble before, for trying to get one of her witnesses to commit perjury in his testimony. Now her own perjury is on record.
It's long past time to disassociate the entire eligibility issue from Taitz, as the two other cases in Georgia were wise enough to do.
It is not evident, I see, that the ones who
defend Mr. Obama, are actually those with
the poor communication skills, unable to use
a vocabulary that is courteous and classy.
So, au contraire, to one of the many Anonymous
entries, your observation is untrue. It is
not the Orly defenders that are foul- mouthed
and employing words that are in keeping
with hillbillies and gangsters.
Please re-read the missiles on this board
and notice a great differentiation in
language skills.
It is scary to think that there are probably
thousands of you out there who want to
govern the planet Earth.
First: learn to write, brush up on your
reading, and attempt to understand the
research meant to educate you.
@A Real Lawyer
Grasping at straws. That is all they are doing now. They cannot accept this is over. Next the Administrative Hearing Officer (known in GA as a Judge) they have been vociferously praising will be "discovered" to be part of the conspiracy as will the GA Secretary of State. I can almost hear part of it: These officials will be said to have allowed tha action to consume time that could have been used to bring the case in another jurisdiction.
Best advice for America: DITCH OBAMA. Then try him, sentence him, fine and imprison him, and then deport him! Next, clean out Congress and the Supreme Court and get some people with INTEGRITY to serve us in House and Senate. Next, run our crooked, corrupt corporate media out of the country. Finally, apologize to the survivors of innocent families around the world that we've let our government use our taxes-paid-for military to slaughter in our name for the profit of the Cheney-Bush-Obamas that keep seeping like scum to our surface
The Maricopa County Attorney wrote to Orly Taitz on behalf of Sheriff Joe Arpaio to let her know that the Sheriff would not be responding to a Georgia subpoena that was only good within the state of Georgia.
The letter is available at scribd.com
"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
It is important to know that the Constitution did happen until after USA was a country for nearly a decade and not all residents of the new country were citizens. Many did not sign on to be citizens. Understanding this makes the above to make more sense and to understand.
@Anonymous
Hopefully, it is now clear to everyone that ONLY Hawaii controls access to Hawaii records in accordance with Article IV, Section 1 of the US Constitution.
The controlling statute in Hawaii is Hawaii Revised Statute 338-18.
The state of Hawaii alone will decide who can gain access to their state birth records and under what circumstances.
No other jurisdiction can order Hawaii to release a confidential birth record and ONLY a certified COPY of a birth record will EVER be available.
Sheriff Joe refuses Orly's subpoena, says it is not valid
link to Sheriff Joe's letter
http://www.scribd.com/doc/79674934/Georgia-Farrar-v-Obama-Response-From-Joe-Arpaio-to-Orly-Re-Subpoena
@Anonymous
The SOS can require candidate obama to submit proof he is constitutionally eligible. No proof, no placement on the ballots.
The question is - will the SOS do it?
letter, Sheriff Joe to Orly
http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/79674934
@rikker
Fine, then the SOS can demand DNC submit proof that their 'candidate' is constitutionally eligible!
Rikker, you would like the SOS to rely on DNC and keep his mouth shut, don't you?
I don't think it's right for a president to be a
muslim and a homosexual both at the same time.
He needs to choose one or the other. Maybe he
needs to trade his dog for a goat since Reggie
Love skipped out.
That lawyer is a nutcase. No wonder everybody laughs at us. The worst thing is that she keeps repeteading the same mistake over and over. Latest example, read Arpaio lawyer' letter.
Orly better win this case because she'll lose a lot of support, including mine. That hearing was a joke and painful to watch and listen. I appreciate her tenacity but comes across as a lunatic person. The judge even laughed at her at some point. She was disorganized, a mess. I don't think the judge took her seriously.
If Obama's name is kept off the primary ballot by the GA SOS because he has failed to convince the SOS of his eligibility, then his name must also be withheld from the general election ballot. It doesn't matter what happens at the Democratic convention.
But this brings up a question of why would Obama be considered ineligible for President in one state but not in another? This issue of differences among the states will have to be addressed. It cannot go unnoticed. Either Obama is eligible or he is not. We can't have the states reaching opposite conclusions. The American people will demand an explanation. GA is not the end but just the very beginning. After GA, all states will have to examine the issue, acquire and look at the evidence, and make a decision on Obama's eligibility. They can no longer just assume that he is eligible just because the DNC says so.
Mr. Wee Wee sez "yOu gO girl" and stand FIRM behind Barack!
@rikker
Second, Malihi can decide for the plaintiffs, true, but he doesn't have the authority to decide the meaning of NBC.
So what, he heard enough from experienced investigators re: the real possibility of non-citizenship of any kind in the present causing the reason for committing the current SSN fraud to suggest that further investigation re: discovery requested by petitioners. With this present history I doubt if further attempts at quashing every little court hearing motion deemed unacceptable to the "too big to fail" defendants will have quite the same value.
@Anonymous @ 4:48
"If Obama's name is kept off the primary ballot by the GA SOS because he has failed to convince the SOS of his eligibility, then his name must also be withheld from the general election ballot. It doesn't matter what happens at the Democratic convention."
You haven't read Handel v. Terry, have you? I urge you to do do. The Georgia court disagrees with you.
@RS
"Taitz, when it was her turn, OBJECTED to that stupid Internet picture COLB and ONLY stipulated that Obama's father was a Kenyan citizen, and furthermore OButt, That silly .jpg pic is NOT a true copy that was issued by the originating document authority. You lose."
How about you give us the Video # and time 00:00 where Orly made that objection you claim she made? The rest of us watched her sit there like a bump on a log and do nothing. Huge mistake.
@Anonymous @ 8:05
"So what, he heard enough from experienced investigators re: the real possibility of non-citizenship "
Sorry, but throwing dirt to raise the "possibility" of noncitizenship is not the same as proving noncitizenship. Courts rule based on proof, not possibilities.
@ RS... "Not correct Foggy-OBot. Hatfield didn't stipulate to that.
And
Taitz, when it was her turn, OBJECTED to that stupid Internet picture COLB and ONLY stipulated that Obama's father was a Kenyan citizen, and furthermore OButt, That silly .jpg pic is NOT a true copy that was issued by the originating document authority. You lose."
No, you lose... again. Van Irion and Hatfield's purpose in introducing the copy of the BCs was to show that Obama's father was a non-citizen at the time of Obama's birth. They had to (and did) concede to its authenticity. If they had not, that piece of evidence would not be in the record. By conceding to its authenticity, they also must concede that Obama was born in Hawaii.
Their purpose for doing so is to set up a test case re Minor v Happersett being precedent for nbc in hopes the case will reach SCOTUS and that SCOTUS will take it up.
Orly's objection can be noted. She, however, presented nothing to refute Obama's Hawaiian birth, so those facts remain in the record.
"If you really want to have an expert legal explanation on what a "natural born citizen" truly is according to the Constitution of the USA and why legally speaking it is this way, then I suggest that you read at least a few articles on Attorney Mario Apuzzo's web site "Natural Born Citizen - A Place to Ask Questions and Get the Right Answers" at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/ "
If you really want a true explanation I suggest you read anywhere but Apuzzo's and Donofrio's blogs.
I'm so glad all of you felt compelled to respond to my single post. Most of you know me. I've been on this issue since the beginning.
Tell me this: When has any single one of my predictions about the outcome of these cases proven to be wrong. Not once. I'm 96-0.
And I was in the courtroom in Atlanta. And while Hatfield and Irion performed capably, Orly's performance was the worst crock of excrement I've ever seen. She rushed through her poor conceived exhibits, failed to establish the identity or credibility of her witnesses. Her first question to Doug Vogt was about the "halo-ing" effect in a .pdf file, which she asked without identifying what "halo-ing" is.
After the hearing, Vogt pulled me aside and told me that he was SURE Obama was born in Kenya. He said Orly didn't allow him to talk about the Kenyan BC.
I didn't have the heart to tell him that this statement completely compromised his "expertise" in document verification, since it was me and several other Politijabbers that conceived and created that Kenyan BC in the first place.
WHY has Congress attempted 8 times to change the meaning of NBC since 2003? If it does not mean NBC = 2 NBC Parents why attempt to change it?
"Anonymous said...[Reply]
WHY has Congress attempted 8 times to change the meaning of NBC since 2003? If it does not mean NBC = 2 NBC Parents why attempt to change it?
"
They're trying to change it so that naturalized citizens (under certain qualifications and conditions) can also be eligible for the presidency and vice presidency... nothing to do with any 2 citizen parent interpretation. It's never gone anywhere and most likely never will.
@Anonymous
How about you give us the Video # and time 00:00 where Orly made that objection you claim she made? The rest of us watched her sit there like a bump on a log and do nothing. Huge mistake.
This Foggy OBot lawyer heard Orly. We ALL know how "impeccable OBots [LoL!] are who blog on FobBlow.com "get it right." I was hoping that DUmb Foooggy BOt Rikker would respond but you'll do Anon.
Fogblower Sterngard Friegen -
"Of course. Evidence admitted for a limited purpose. I think Orly Taitz stood up at around the time Buffoon Lawyer #1 sought to have the COLB admitted, and then stipulated to its authenticity, and because she immediately recognized it would DESTROY HER CASE, she asked that it be admitted solely for the limited purpose of demonstrating that President Obama's father was Kenyan, not American.
I'll just go back through the videotape, find that colloquy, and post the time it appears on the video here.
In about a million years."
http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=336613#p336613
Another OBot responds to me -
OBOT - No, you lose... again. Van Irion and Hatfield's purpose in introducing the copy of the BCs was to show that Obama's father was a non-citizen at the time of Obama's birth. They had to (and did) concede to its authenticity. If they had not, that piece of evidence would not be in the record. By conceding to its authenticity, they also must concede that Obama was born in Hawaii.
To the other DUmb OBot Anon (January 30, 2012 4:18 AM) who wrote this directly above. Check the Sterngard comments you moronic, FOggy OBot. You clowns better get on the same page of BS before you start passing out your stupidity. What did Foggy Sterngard say again? Oh yeah OBot, "Evidence admitted for a limited purpose," among other things. LoL.
And furthermore, the
excerpted testimony from court transcripts of David Weldon:
"A. It's the birth certificate that I downloaded from the WhiteHouse.gov website. It's a birth certificate professed to be of Barack Hussein Obama II."
"Downloaded" and "professed to be"? LoL.
Yeah Weldon, "professed" by DUmb OBots. Professed by village OBots everywhere who drank tooo much Obama kook-aid. The judge didn't concede anything village DU/Fogblower to the "authenticity" about Obama's birf certificate. And as we see, the plaintiffs are not the ones professing here Village OBums.
And BTW, why would lawyer Hatfield file a Notice to Produce for Obama to bring to court genuine and authentic documents, if he agreed that Obama's Internet birf pic as genuinely authentic?
Drum roll please... Hatfield would not agree or did he agree to your stupidity. LoL.
Excerpt of the 'notice to produce' genuine documents:
"Pursuant to OSAH Rule 616-1-2-.19, Defendant Barack Obama is hereby notified to be and appear before the Georgia Office of State Administrative Hearings, the Honorable Michael M. Malihi presiding, at the Fulton County Justice Center Building, 161 Pryor Street, Courtroom G-40, Atalanta, Georgia on January 26, 2012 at 9:00 a.m., and to bring with him into said Court the following items to be used as evidence by the Plaintiffs in the above-styled case:
(a) One (1) of the two (2) original certified copies of Defendant Barack Obama's ("long form")
Certificate of Live Birth as referenced in the four (4) pages of Exhibit "A" attached;
(b) All medical, religious, administrative, or other records of or related to Defendant Barack Obama's birth;
(c) Any and all United States Passports, passport applications, and passport-related records for Defendant Barack Obama; ...."
Again, you lose OBot in the arena of smarts. Can you OBots get any dumber? A rhetorical question.
@RS
hey REd -- now that the transcripts are out, it makes it a whole lot easier for you to find where Orly preserved her objection to the authenticity of the birth certificates that Hatfield and Irion moved into evidence.
Go at it, gurl!!!!
@RS
Ruh roh, Red. Check out the Welden v. Obama transcript at page 6.
Yep, there it is. The birth certificate moved into evidence by Irion. No objections. The judge admits it into evidence.
Maybe Orly was putting on more mascara at that moment, when she should have objected. Maybe she ran to the little girls' room to tinkle. Whatever. She failed to object. Now it is deemed authentic evidence.
"Can you OBots get any dumber? "
Than you, when you express your legal "expertise"?
Highly doubtful.
Well, Orly knows less about law and procedure than you. I'll give you that one.
@RS: "Yep, there it is. The birth certificate moved into evidence by Irion. No objections. The judge admits it into evidence."
LOLOLOL!!
This may be the first case in history where the defendant didn't show up and the plaintiffs would have won a default judgment just by STFU, but they couldn't do that and subsequently entered evidence that caused the defendants to WIN THE CASE!!!
@Anonymous
Than you, when you express your legal "expertise"?
What goes for "OBot logic" and law can be expressed as stupendously ignorant with a high propensity to search for stupidity.
OBOT @ 5:31 PM - Yep, there it is. The birth certificate moved into evidence by Irion. No objections. The judge admits it into evidence.
Ooooooh OBots you got us. LoL. You clowns really "think" that the judge is going accept that he has a bonafide, authentic, certified, notarized, original Obama barf certificate? - LoL. Delusional OBots.
Hey OBums, let me remind you that Obama's liewyer defiantly forgot to go to the court hearing. A stupendously stupid and losing proposition if Obama really has the winning hand.
Sooooo why didn't he show up wit dat Obummer barf cert., jus like U OBots said he would? LoL.
All got it wrong again in Foggy La La Land. Nutso OBots.
@RS:
Tell me again, how many court cases have the birthers won?
Yeh. that's right. ZERO.
Tell me Rikker, when is Obama going to win a court case on the merits of the law instead of getting off on technicalities and running away like a common punk when he a case actually bring forth evidence against him?
Yeah, that's right ZERO.
@RS
Standing IS the law of the land, RS. As such, EVERY case that Obama has won decries the birther cases as meritless.
So, Obama's 96-0 record is pristine, especially the Ankeny decision, which actually WAS argued in front of an Indiana Superior Court. I'd say Indiana Superior Court is a tad more influential than a no-show decision in front of an administrative hearing judge in GA that only has the power to SUGGEST.
It's funny to me that the birther lawyers even screwed up a slam dunk win. By arguing their case, they've compelled Malihi to decide their case on the merits....which will cause them to lose a case they should have won. Brilliant.
"RS said...[Reply]
Tell me Rikker, when is Obama going to win a court case on the merits of the law"
He's won every case to date on merits of the law. Decisions on standing and justiciability are decisions on the merits.
Yet another legal concept that you fail to grasp.
The real problem is that you have to first have a case, brought by someone who's legally able to bring it... to date there's not been one.
You want the Constitution and law to be upheld, but every time it is you scream foul because you want that same Constitution shredded and the law severed merely because you think that's the way it should be.
@rikker
He's won every case to date on merits of the law. Decisions on standing and justiciability are decisions on the merits.
Obama has won NONE on the merit OBot. The very first chance he gets, Obama and his lawyer runs away. "Standing" is a made up court doctrine that they impose to keep their work load down.
So, Obama's 96-0 record is pristine, especially the Ankeny decision, which actually WAS argued in front of an Indiana Superior Court.
Obama is ZERO on the merits.
Ankeny is complete BS. It has been taken apart more than every tinker toy that ever existed. The Indiana court wrote that garbage from the inner sanctum of their offices. There was no witnesses or evidence introduced, or was there any cross by OBot lawyers to challenge any courtroom witness or evidence on the merits. Nope, this was not a courtroom case. Everyone except delusional OBots believe that it is complete nonsense.
Ankeny is seriously flawed and one of the most misleading piece of junk in existence. Did OBot lawyer Jabber Jabber Jablonski use Ankeny as an "open and shut" argument? I don't think so. No, he and Obama ran away like little OBot children in the Georgia courtroom. What losers.
It's funny to me that the birther lawyers even screwed up a slam dunk win.
I wouldn't get too far in your delusions OBot. You are likely in for a big disappointment.
By arguing their case, they've compelled Malihi to decide their case on the merits....which will cause them to lose a case they should have won. Brilliant.
The US Government understands the law as they distinguish between native v. natural born which was a necessity after the WKA case and the 14ht Amendment. Your only hope is that the courts do not look at the facts, and if they do, you LOSE OBot.
@RS: "Ankeny is complete BS. "
And yet it renders your earlier argument about not winning on the merits as moot.
"Your only hope is that the courts do not look at the facts, and if they do, you LOSE OBot."
Au contraire, RS. I WANT them to look at the odoriferous pile of reconstituted vomit that Orly and her reluctant sycophants offered up last week. I need another good laugh. When you lose this case, I want to hear your lamentations....for the 97th time.
@rikker
And yet it renders your earlier argument about not winning on the merits as moot.
OBots create obfuscation and talk BS , which is NOT winning on the basis of FACTS or the merits. THe FACTS and the merits is not moot.
Some facts to chew on OBot.
Obama has not ever proven to any court of law that he was born inside the United States. Even if he was born in the US of A, he would only be a native born citizen based on the onerous Wong Kim Ark court decision.
Continuation of the FACTS.
The US Department of Justice [INS] understand the law based on past SCOTUS court opinions and the US Constitution that Obama is ONLY a native born, if he ever was born in Hawaii, which is highly doubtful.
Verbatim of more FACTS OBot.
"Interpretation 324.2 "Reacquisition of citizenship lost by marriage.”
Interpretation 324.2 (a)(3) provides:
“The repatriation provisions of these two most recent enactments also apply to a native- and natural-born citizen woman who expatriated herself by marriage to an alien…” "
And OBot,
"Then, Interpretation 324.2(a)(7) provides:
“(7) Restoration of CITIZENSHIP is prospective . Restoration to citizenship under any one of the THREE statutes is not regarded as having erased the period of alienage that immediately preceded it.
The words “shall be deemed to be a citizen of the United States to the same extent as though her marriage to said alien had taken place on or after September 22, 1922″, as they appeared in the 1936 and 1940 statutes, are prospective and restore the status of native-born OR natural-born citizen (whichever existed prior to the loss) as of the date citizenship was reacquired.” "
And there's more here silly Foggy-OBot.
INS Officially Recognizes A Delineation Between Natural-Born and Native-Born
You OBots live in a delusional world of smoke and mirrors while spewing BS. I've just show you clowns some pertinent FACTS.
BTW, it is the very reason that the Obama Justice Department never argued to any court that Obama is a natural born citizen. Their own administrative laws informs them in no uncertain terms that Obama is NOT a natural born citizen.
@ Rikker
-Au contraire, RS. I WANT them to look at the odoriferous pile of reconstituted vomit that Orly and her reluctant sycophants offered up last week. I need another good laugh. When you lose this case, I want to hear your lamentations....for the 97th time.
Well, If we loose we will lament. And rest assured you WILL hear us. But right now, we're winning! And it's you and your odoriferous pile of reconstituted vomit FAGBLOWMEHOMOCOMMY brethren doing all the lamenting. And I'm loving hearing you CRY LIKE A BITCH..!
By the way I notice that your site doesn't say anyting about your COMMYMUSLIMLEADER being a Faggot. I just thought you might want to mention it since you guys are so concerned about getting out the truth and all you know. Not that it would be any skin off of your nose. Hell, I bet it's a virtue at FAGBLOWME..!
And another thing, RIKI TIKI. Here's what you can't change, no matter how much you cry. After almost 4 yrs. Orly finally got to present her case in front of a judge, and speak to the press FREELY..! And there ain't SHIT you can do about it..!
IN YOUR FACE SATANSPAWN..!
LONG LIVE THE QUEEN..!
"Furthermore, Obama was confronted with the definition of what a "natural born citizen" is when he directly participated in the investigation of John McCain's eligibility to run for the Presidency of the USA. Obama then signed Senate Resolution 511 from April 30, 2008 that reveals the indispensable requirement of having two US citizen parents in order to be a "natural born citizen" according to the Constitution of the USA and therefore to be eligible to run for the Presidency of the USA or to be President of the USA!!!!!"
First, that's a nonbinding resolution that really doesn't mean squat in the real world.
That said, you are living under the incorrect assumption that because it was true that both of McCain's parents happened to be U.S. citizens at the time of his birth, as stated by one of the senators, that does not mean it's a requirement that one have two citizen parents.
@CommieKiller
"it's you and your odoriferous pile of reconstituted vomit FAGBLOWMEHOMOCOMMY brethren doing all the lamenting."
You haven't over to fogbow lately. Most of what I hear coming from Fogbow is laughter. The Queen actually said that WKA doesn't apply...BECAUSE IT'S NOT A UNANIMOUS DECISION.
CK, she's a commie born idiot without the brains God gave a polecat. And you're her lapdog.
@RS: "OBots create obfuscation and talk BS , which is NOT winning on the basis of FACTS or the merits. THe FACTS and the merits is not moot. "
I assume you meant to say "ARE" not moot.
RS, the facts are that the law of the United States of America is against you. You have no chance of winning this fight.
@rikker
RS, the facts are that the law of the United States of America is against you. You have no chance of winning this fight.
Spoken like a true Communist when presented with the facts and the law. There is no time limit here OBot. This has become more than just about Obama sitting in the Oval office.
@RS: "Spoken like a true Communist...."
...who's 96-0 in his interpretation of American law.
The communist is that Sideshow Bob blonde succubus that leads the birther movement, RS. Dealio with it.
@Rikker
Wrong Commie FogOBot. It looks like it will soon be 1 to ZERO on the rule of law and not Obama getting off on some BS technicality.
LOL!
Tomorrow you'll be whining about the decline of law in the constitutional republic, RS. And I'll be laughing. You guys will NEVER win one. Even when Obama serves you up a fastball down the middle, you're going to swing and miss.
@rikker
I see you're on a drug high because of Illinois corrupt politics, Chicago style. I expected Illinois corruption wouldn't give the Usurper a second look. Don't let your OBot delusions get out of hand as you could be in for a bad drug like withdrawal in GA.
"And another thing, RIKI TIKI. Here's what you can't change, no matter how much you cry. After almost 4 yrs. Orly finally got to present her case in front of a judge, and speak to the press FREELY..! And there ain't SHIT you can do about it..! "
None of which has anything to do with the issue of eligibility. All her SSN and Selective Service, etc., etc., is completely irrelevant. That is why the judge asked several times, how is this relevant.
> as you could be in for a bad drug like withdrawal in GA
I bet it will rather be you who'll be throwing another hissy fit about "traitors" when your GA dreams ain't goin' nowhere.
> Senate Resolution 511 from April 30, 2008 that reveals the indispensable requirement of having two US citizen parents in order to be a "natural born citizen" according to the Constitution of the USA
If you read SR 511 "your way" properly, you will notice it also requires one to have been born in 1936 in Panama to be eligible for Presidency. I wonder who invented that prerequisite...
Rikker said: "LOL!
Tomorrow you'll be whining about the decline of law in the constitutional republic, RS. And I'll be laughing. You guys will NEVER win one. Even when Obama serves you up a fastball down the middle, you're going to swing and miss."
This sure looks like a swing and a miss to me. 97-0. And the 97th win was a HUGE steaming pile of "I told you so.".
SO that leaves me with one response.
I told you so.
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