STATEMENT IN RESPONSE TO ORLY TAITZ’S CONTINUAL MISREPRESENTATIONS
OF ARTICLE II SUPER PAC AND ARTICLE II LEGAL DEFENSE FUND
February 24, 2012
Article II Super PAC Email
Article II Super PAC and Article II Legal Defense Fund have been under relentless, irresponsible and deceitful attack by Orly Taitz and her staff, since the two entities were established late last year. Article II Super PAC and Article II Legal Defense Fund have until now ignored her complete mischaracterization of our work. Due to her most recent misrepresentation of facts we are compelled to set the record straight once and for all.
To make it abundantly clear Article II Super PAC is a ‘political’ entity established under the rules and guidelines of the Federal Election Commission. Furthermore, all such political entities, monthly filings of income/expenses are filed with the FEC. These reports, as required by law, are made available to the public for review at the FEC website.
As well, Article II Super PAC’s mission is clearly articulated on the homepage of our official website – http://www.art2superpac.com -
“ Article II Super PAC's overall goal is to ensure that citizens and elected officials clearly understand Article II and the definitive meaning intended by the United States of America's Founding Fathers of “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN,” thereby working to create a legally-binding vetting apparatus which will ensure all presidential and vice-presidential candidates are constitutionally eligible in 2012 and future elections.”
“We are raising the needed resources to develop materials, to promote our message across the country, assisting with key state ballot challenges, continuing to assemble our legal team which include the brightest constitutional and elections law experts and so much more.”
“We are building a virtual army of patriots who will serve as our frontline of EDUCATORS. Be it hosting neighborhood “chats,” handing out educational materials, speaking engagements, writing letters to your hometown newspapers, or correcting misinformation with the FACTS in the blogosphere, Article II PAC is ready to put you to work.”
Article II Super PAC is gearing up for the 2012 general elections where we are currently working to elevate the debate about presidential qualifications from the netroots into the mainstream conversation. To accomplish this we have invested donor contributions into “live streaming” events such as last month’s Georgia Office of State Hearing’s and have recently teamed up with World Net Daily to “live stream” the Maricopa County Cold Case Posse Investigation into Barack H. Obama. We will continue to seek out opportunities to “live stream” events that focus on presidential qualifications and related constitutional issues. After all, it is Article II that drives our mission and work.
Article II Legal Defense Fund is a separate legal entity from Article II Super PAC. We clearly state this at both sites, but for whatever reason Taitz nor her staff bother to read.
The Article II Legal Defense Fund serves as a fundraising platform for those citizens who wish to submit a ballot challenge in their respective states and hire attorney’s who are licensed in said states. Article II Legal Defense Fund serves as a fundraising platform and depository for said funds. Nothing more. Nothing less.
It is important for citizens and donors to understand, not every ballot challenger wishes to engage the services of Taitz. Rather, they wish to seek private counsel licensed to practice law in their respective state or an attorney from out of state who they hold confidence. The Plaintiffs in California, Florida, Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania and several more states chose to secure counsel they wished to work with, which is their right.
As for those citizens who have engaged Mr. Klayman’s legal services that is their prerogative and Ms. Taitz should not be casting aspersions or making assumptions about that which she has no knowledge. The plaintiffs in these various ballot challenges have exercised their right to secure counsel for whom they have confidence and respect, and they should not be subjected to the incessant diatribe and insults of a frustrated and angry Ms. Taitz.
Nevertheless, out of an abundance of caution, Article II Legal Defense Fund reached out to the FL/CA Plaintiffs on February 23, 2012 and have received the necessary assurances that Mr. Klayman is very much involved with the Ballot Challenges both in Florida and California. The fact of the matter is that Mr. Klayman is coming on board on an existing case in Florida and Ms. Taitz would be best served by not jumping to conclusions.
As to Taitz’s claim that donors who have contributed to the CA and FL efforts are being defrauded; this is an outright falsehood and irresponsible at best. However, if the donors who have contributed to either one of these efforts wish to receive their donation back we’d gladly comply. It speaks volumes that none have. Obviously they too have full faith in the lead Plaintiffs and Mr. Klayman.
Again, Article II Legal Defense Fund simply serves as a fundraising platform and depository on behalf of citizens. It is the Plaintiffs who hire counsel, manage the private attorney-client relationship, and work out their respective legal strategy.
Perhaps Taitz would be more effective if she would concentrate more on her own efforts and spend less time making libelous statements toward those of us who are lending a hand and taking a lead to assist litigants in various states. Taitz should immediately stop injecting herself into the activities of others, especially Article II Super PAC, Article Legal Defense Fund and the CA/FL Plaintiffs. Taitz’s failure to cease and desist will only continue to hurt our common objective and will in fact necessitate a need for legal action to put and end once and for all to such scurrilous insults and claims.
The misrepresentation of facts by Taitz about who Article II Super PAC and Article II Legal Defense Fund must cease immediately. Taitz is invited to write director@art2superpac.com or call 804.840.1449 anytime. This invitation has been extended many times since we launched the PAC and LDF, but to date Taitz has chosen not to reach out and learn the facts regarding our work. However, the invitation remains open, but the misrepresentation of facts must end now.
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UPDATE: All:
Since my name was dragged into this fray by Orly Taitz for reasons unfathomable to me since I have done nothing in the past but try to help help her since she first appeared on the scene in the late fall of 2008, even donating money to her efforts repeatedly, I am happy to set the record straight that all donations made to the Article II Legal Defense Fund - PA campaign are being sent by check regularly to my attorney who then puts it into her trust account for use in the PA action. I also receive regular weekly reports listing all donations. The Article II Super PAC and Article II Legal Defense Fund people have been totally professional, efficient, and honest in all their dealing with me and our action in PA. As to Orly attacking the Article II orgs and now me by name is totally baffling. I appreciate the support of the two Article II orgs and will continue to avail myself of their services to expose the usurper-in-chief and unconstitutional, illegal resident of the Oval Office.
CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret)
Lead Plaintiff/Objector
Kerchner/Laudenslager v Obama
Pennsylvania Ballot Challenge/Objection
cdrkerchner.wordpress.com
ARTICLE II ELIGIBILITY FACTS HERE: http://www.art2superpac.com/issues.html
111 comments:
From what I can tell the "scurillious insults, claims, and misrepresentations" are coming from both sides of this dispute. Pehaps both sides should grow up and try to remember that it is Obama who is public enemy number one. Afterall, if you allow your acrimonious relationship with each other to destroy the birther movement, it's win win situation for Obama.
Might as well play around with the upcoming elections and make sure Obummer is defeated even though anyone other than Ron Paul will merely continue the Staus quo. Oh well, the country must not have been all that important to our elected anyway. The Constitution? A mere footnote in history.
We can't talk ouselves out of this mess folks. We can't appeal to corrupt (massively) courts for redress. It ain't happening so either get used to whatever the PTB have planned for us or get off you ever loving butt and fight back. Did I mention your adversary is relentlesly smacking you? Backing you into the corner? reminding you all how utterly worthless your efforts are in their scheme of things?
I'll fight where ever I can but see little hope of anyone at my back. We're too embroiled in the cyberworld to ever accomplish anything real.
Anyone willing to take the blue pill? I did.
I haven't see any person from the Pac, the Ldf, or the Obama Ballot Challenge site attack Orly or any other person in the eligibility movement.
The only attacks have come directly from Taitz and her blog.
She even attacked Cdr Kerchner the other day on her blog and he has never done anything to her that I know of.
Please stop maligning each other. This guy that calls himself "Obama" loves it when we go after each other. Hang together, but if this is asking too much, at least remain civil or failing that stay silent. We need to legally remove this counterfeit and hopefully prosecute him for his crimes. OK? OK.
Memo to Dr. Taitz...GET OUT! STOP TRYING TO SABOTAGE OUR MOVEMENT TO BRING RESPECT BACK TO THE CONSTITUTION! The last straw came for me when you supposedly attacked CMDR Kerchner.
@6:42, as I said in a recent article:
"One does not silently accept a cancer in the hopes that, in the end, one's body will thrive because of physical “unity” with the disease. No, to strengthen the body, and increase one's chances for survival, the cancer must be eradicated, as painful a process as that sometimes can be."
@Anonymous
"anyone other than Ron Paul will merely continue the Staus quo"
Really? Show me where Ron Paul declared some digitized piece of shit thrown up on a website is proof of nothing. For all his blathering about the Constitution, Paul is a coward vis a vis a constructionist adherence to Article II. More than any other candidate he rails on and on about the Constitution and yet he remains silent on this usurper's mockery of it. He is a colossal disappointment on many fronts.
I am discouraged that there are internal wars going on between members of the same team. I have weekly, Orly's tenacity and giving of enormous time and energy. I can't imagine running as hard as she has been running for as long as she has been under attack. My familiarity with the Article II efforts are admitedly much less. I have come to appreciate the diligence in which Orly has pleadings timely posted, and so for that and other reasons, I have come to rely on her postings, more than most. I follow dozens and dozens and dozens but now hearing that their is friction between different members of the same team, I agree with the cyberworld comment and think its time to draw many together, at least temporarily, to pour fuel on the flame on insure this slug-Progressive (see: commie-muslim) is removed from office, and put behind bars, along with his entire complicit administration. Long past time to come out from behind the computer and get in front of as many media-types as possible. obviously can't count on Fox, O'Reilly, Hannity, Rush or any others to call the slug out, demand his and the courts attention, and win back our country before its too late. I am in Florida and I am ready to be heard. With a little guidance from others on best approach to draw attention to the cause, I am sure many of us would make our presence known. As for Orly, I don't know where she got her information from that caused her to blow off some steam, but I suspect, and hope, that it is just the years of stress she has been enduring, and it seems, with very limited team support. I know not of the credibility of either sides argument, and I have no side to take. I merely want to help the home team get across the goal line, now. Is the Birther Summit in DC in March the tipping point? I see their web link has pulled all their speakers off the link so I don't know what is happening there, and why not some t.v./media advertising, off-line??? Let's pull together people. Now is the time to keep all our eyes on the target, please, for our kids sake, if not our own.
and what the heck happened in Indiana today?? Haven't heard or read anything.
Has she finally attacked Kerchner? She attacked Klayman, she attacked Arpaio. Kerchner had to be next, if she hadn't attacked him already.
She will not risk the eligibility movement being seen by the world as anything but a bunch of crackpots. She she will NOT risk anyone going after Obama who might actually succeed. She'll smear them into the ground first. That's her job.
Has anyone not figured that out yet? Seriously?
I listened to the recording this morning of the Indiana hearing. Taitz wouldn't take on the most important thing of these ballot challenges, natural born Citizenship and the fact that Obama was born a dual Citizen. Why? I couldn't believe how this woman wasn't prepared. She stated she left the rest of Obama's tax return with the visible Connecticut social security number on it but tried to enter a gift portion of the tax return without the SS number on it as evidence. Why? Why leave the most important evidence at home? That's incompetence. Why not get her forms of evidence certified as the commission members noted several times? She's had 3 years of accumulated time to do so. The commission member told her to get a Indiana attorney to represent her. Why didn't she think of it before hand? She has the money.
Does she think she up to 44 more states to go and she is complicit that she might get lucky and score one victory? Is this her goal, that she might get lucky and actually wind up actually being totally prepared for a hearing by chance? No, I have been knowing this woman's motive and her allegiance hasn't been with the Constitutionalists who want to get Obama out of office due to the fact he isn't a natural born Citizen. born to two U.S. Citizen parents. People are now waking up to Taitz and are seeing the fact that she doesn't have 'the right stuff' to get the job done.
Constitutionalists need a strong minded Constitutional attorney with a legitimate legal winning background in legal cases willing to take up a ballot challenge. Now out of 300 million Americans in this country and out of 50 states with thousands of legitimate successful attorneys within them, there has to be several willing to step up in their state willing to accept a ballot challenge hearing in their prospective state. I think Taitz needs to be boycotted like the Soviets boycotted the La Olympics in 1984. It's common sense people. You have many ballot challenges to present against Obama across the nation. Make the right decision. Seek legal council IN YOUR STATE that is well versed into Constitutional law.
Well Coldda, if you would have read Orly's blog posting the other day accusing the Art 2 Pac, Cdr Kerchner, and numerous others of fraud then you would know why the Pac was forced to release a statement.
Her attacks upon said persons and organizations is still posted on the front of her blog.
As for Indiana they ruled on the challenge today. http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/02/indiana-election-commission-obamas-moms.html
@ColddaTaitz was shot down 4-0 and her ballot challenge was denied. She forgot to certify her evidence to be entered.
@A Legal Constitutional Mind
"Why leave the most important evidence at home? That's incompetence."
It's not incompetence. It's deliberate.
"She's had 3 years of accumulated time to do so. ... Why didn't she think of it before hand?"
Of course she thought of it beforehand. She's throwing the cases.
"I have been knowing this woman's motive and her allegiance hasn't been with the Constitutionalists who want to get Obama out of office"
Now you've got it.
@Anonymous
Saying that Orly Taitz is deliberately throwing her cases is same kind of scurillious accussation that this article has accused Orly Taitz of.
These slanderous comments about Orly Taitz seem to be very commonplace on this blog. Is it any wonder that Orly Taitz responds in kind? I think not.
Not one of you have won any eligibility cases against Obama yet. So you have nothing to feel superior about. The Judge in GA dismissed your eligibility case just as quickly as he dismissed Orly Taitz's case. If Orly Taitz is a loser than so are you.
@Anonymous
(same kind of scurillious accussation that this article has accused Orly Taitz of)
Hey asshole Orlybot. The statement is not an article and it is not a "scurrilous accusation" against Orly.
It is a statement of fact that is refuting the libelous accusations that Orly has posted at her blog at this very minute. http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=32077
I have not seen one accusation against Orly from the Pac, the ldf, the Florida/California plaintiffs, or Cdr. Kerchner.
If you can cite one time where they have accused Orly of any wrongdoing then please provide it.
Since you can't. Shut the fuck up!
(Not one of you have won any eligibility cases against Obama yet. So you have nothing to feel superior about.)
Where has anyone ever claimed such?
Whoever claimed to be superior?
If you were openly accused of defrauding the public would you not defend yourself or company?
Stop defending the actions of Taitz!
Just wait until Larry Klayman responds. I believe Orly messed up big time when she libeled him on her blog. Hell he sued his own mother.
@Jim C.
I have a right to free speech and you don't stand a snowballs chance in hell of keeping me fron expressing my opinion. So why don't YOU shut the fuck up ASSHOLE!
@Anonymous
(I have a right to free speech)
So do I Orlybot!
Why don't you practice your free speech and provide the evidence to back up your BULLSHIT claims?
@Anonymous
You really need to go to Birther Summit and read all the attacks.. Dean Haskins started this mess. And he has collected money from people and has postponed the Summit. Nikki Booth said she tried to get him to use a better name for the summit and not one so negative on the movement. But he chose the NEGATIVE term to use, is he really making fun of the movement. YES.
@Anonymous
I did not see Orly write any libelous statements about Klayman on her blog.
What I read is that she had heard some unfavorble rumors about Klayman from someone at Judicial Watch who claimed to be a former FBI Agent. She was suspicious and concerned because Klaymen apparently not filed any pleadings yet and she was told that he did not have liscense to practice law in one of the States in question.
If someone told her some things about Klayman that were not true which caused her to panic, it's is not her fault. To the best of my knowledge she never claimed that the unfavorable rumors were true or accurate. Orly also never claimed that any of the rumors had been corroborated by anyone.
I believe that Orly's was concerned mainly because she did not want anyone who might ocntribute to be defrauded by someone who might take money their money under false pretenses.
Not wanting people to get ripped off is not a crime last time I checked.
So I don't see how she commited libel.
My take on it is that Orly is still trying to asertain for herself if these any of rumors are true.
To the best of my knowledge she never came to the conclusion that they were.
@Jim C.
I am not making any claims, I am merely expressing an opinion.
@Anonymous
(You really need to go to Birther Summit and read all the attacks.. Dean Haskins started this mess. And he has collected money from people and has postponed the Summit. Nikki Booth said she tried to get him to use a better name for the summit and not one so negative on the movement. But he chose the NEGATIVE term to use, is he really making fun of the movement. YES.)
Typical Orlybot! You spin and change the subject. The Birther Summit has nothing to do with Orly's libelous attacks against the Article II Pac, Larry Klayman, Cdr. Kerchner, or the California and Florida ballot challenge plaintiffs.
None of them once publicly said anything remotely negative about Taitz.
As for Haskins he simply and correctly pointed out Taitz's misstatements and questionable actions in her pleadings and cases.
Please provide the evidence to back up your BULLSHIT claims!
And by the way it is MIKI Booth not Nikki Booth.
@Anonymous
Is that you Orly Taitz?
Too late to make excuses!
Never fuck with a man that has sued his own mother!
ROFL
@Anonymous
Saying that Orly Taitz is deliberately throwing her cases is same kind of scurillious accussation
So you think it's incompetence or stupidity?
I disagree. She's highly intelligent, yet she makes the same mistakes over and over.
When experience demonstrates (or experienced lawyers tell her) "Doing xyz will guarantee you lose" - and she does exactly that, again and again and again - those aren't "mistakes."
She's throwing the cases.
Sorry for the typos I am dyslexic.
I did not see Orly write any libelous statements about Klayman on her blog.
What I read is that she had heard some unfavorble rumors about Klayman from someone at Judicial Watch who claimed to be a former FBI Agent. I think Orly was suspicious and concerned about Klaymen because he apparently had not filed any pleadings yet and she was told that he did not have liscense to practice law in one of the States in question.
If someone told her some things about Klayman that were not true which caused her to question his integrity or reliability, it's is not entirely her fault.
To the best of my knowledge Orly never claimed that any or the unfavorable rumors were true or accurate. Orly also never claimed that any of the rumors had been corroborated by anyone.
I believe that Orly's was concerned mainly because she did not want anyone who might contribute to the PAC to be defrauded by someone who might take money their money and not deliver their services.
Not wanting to see people to get ripped off is not a crime last time I checked.
She may have acted pre-maturely but I fail to see how she commited libel.
My take on it is that Orly is still trying to asertain for herself if these any of rumors are true.
To the best of my knowledge she never came to the conclusion that they were
I am sure that Obama loves it when you go after each other and not after him.
@Anonymous
I think our Judicial System is hopelessly corrupt and it's got nothing to do with Orly Taitz.
You will soon realize that I am right when you discover that the "more competent lawyers" have met the same fate as Orly Taitz.
The fix is in my friends, it's a fait accompli.
Our government has been overthrown in a bloodless coup and we are now living under a defacto dictatorship.
I think Orly's accusation was that money was solicited for immediate "filing" of law-suits in both Florida and California.
Other than a reference to some sort of involvement in another (existing) law-suit in Florida --- I see NO REBUTTAL to her actual accusations.
They have not shown Orly was wrong !!!
@Anonymous
Of course you don't. ***sarc***
Orly could flat out tell you she doesn't follow all the proper court rules and procedures and you would still defend her and say otherwise.
The fact is the word "immediate" you are throwing around is from Orly.
If you read the actual "press release" about the Florida and California challenges it says "the filings must be made in a week" which is because there were challenge deadlines. The release goes onto say they need "your help to raise the money needed to cover legal expenses".
The fact is the challenges were filed in California and Florida which from what I understand Klayman is now handling both cases.
http://obamaballotchallenge.com/obamas-defense-team-has-finally-met-its-match
http://www.art2superpac.com/floridaballot.html
http://www.art2superpac.com/caballot.html
Stop defending the indefensible and stop believing everything you read on Orly's blog.
http://www.art2superpac.com/floridaballot.html The respond I get here is “cannot locate internet server or proxy server” I contributed to this effort. Can anyone confirm that the challenge has been filed and Klayman is on board?
@9:43, when someone "blames" you for telling the truth, they're either corrupt or highly ignorant. Choosing between the first one and the second, I believe you're number two.
As for the name of the event, it was decided by a team of people. I would explain why it was chosen, but it is obvious you wouldn't understand.
"Anonymous said...[Reply]
Sorry for the typos I am dyslexic.
I did not see Orly write any libelous statements about Klayman on her blog."
Yes, she did. She stated he'd been "convicted" in Ohio of owing back child support. Completely untrue and libelous.
I find it quite ironic that Orly is calling out anyone on how much and how money is donated and/or spent. She's never accounted for two cents of the money she's spent and a vast majority of it has been wasted on useless BS, and much of the expense only because of her incompetence, such as four completely unnecessary trips to HI simply because she refused to learn and follow the rules.
I forgot to add to my other post. When the recess is called by the Commission, you can hear the a plantiff over the open mic plead with Orly to go get the documents certified and even offers options to get them certified quick. Orly refuses and thwarts his attempts to do so. That was a huge red flag that Taitz wasn't a team player.
Can anyone take a guess at who's paying for all her travel expenses? I seriously doubt she gets that money from donations. Could be wrong but the question still needs to be asked.
She's single handedly destroying the efforts of everyone who gets a ballot challenge going with her side show antics and irrelevant evidence. Hey, can any of you tell me when she stuck to the nbC issue in any of her performances? Something sure stinks to high heaven about what she's doing.
@Anonymous
Were the challenges filed by Klayman or by someone else?
I thought the Florida challenge was filed pro se with the understanding that Klayman would join the case as the plaintiff's attorney once the $25,000 was raised.
I'm I mistaken in this belief?
Did I misunderstand something?
@Anonymous
There was no misunderstanding as I see it, it appears thatthere was a clear attempt to solicit funds so that the challenges could be filed in Florida and California.
The solicitation for funds was published far and wide, and bloggers like myself who were initially excited about the prospect of having Klayman file these challenges either contributed money, or helped the solicitation for funds to go viral.
I have come to believe that many people who post on this site seem to be working at cross purposes to one another.
Instead of contributing to the achievement of an overall goal. It appears that there are different factions trying to prevail over one another.
Some of these competitors may in fact be Obots who are acting as agent provocatuers, while others simply appear to be advancing competing philosophies and tactics.
If we are to prevail over Obama our common welfare has to come first. Our victory depends upon a unified effort to advance a common cause.
Before you tear each other to pieces with your frivolous lawsuits and accusations, you might want to bear this in mind.
Unless of course it is your real objective to divide and conquer.
If that is the case keep it up, you are doing an excellant job.
Off subject, but watch following video on another Obama attack on the Us with Arizona immigration lawsuit.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/tsH8xvjTAlo
I only see in those links the pleas for MONEY for the "immediate" filing, (within one-week of Feb. 10).
I don't see where either was actually DONE. (his explanation is only that "Mr. Klayman is coming on board on an existing case in Florida").
I still don't see that Orly was wrong .....
Apr 27, 2011 - the date Obama released his long form birth certificate.
May 2, 2011 - Bin Laden killed. The biggest story of the year.
May 17th, 2011 - Jerome Corsi's Where's The Birth Certificate released.
They are talking right now war in the Middle East. If there is anything to the Sheriff Joe report...I expect it any day.
Seriously people, are we still playing "tit for tat" here? If they don't like what Orly's saying about them, handle it between yourselves, like grownups. To continue the "she said, he said" game is just playing right into the hands of the liberal idiots that plague this blog and probably report directly to the asswipe in the WH. Can we agree to grow up here and act like adults??
Let's not forget that the "Competent Lawyers" were the ones that introduced into evidence accepting as real, Obama's forged birth certificate.
Without that "document", Malihi could not have "considered" That Obama was born in Hawaii
Let's not forget that the "Competent Lawyers" were the ones that introduced into evidence accepting as real, Obama's forged birth certificate.
Without that "document", Malihi could not have "considered" That Obama was born in Hawaii
@Anonymous
You can see the rebuttal on Orly's website. I believe she posted one just for you.
ROFLMAO
Ah hmmm, I think the mad dentist looks like a cross between Dr. Joyce, and Bozo the clown...
They did use the word "immediate" and I would agree that "within a week" falls in that category.
You keep proving that point with your links.
NONE of those links shows they "filed" what they plead for money for --- ...
It looks like you, ARTICLE II SUPER PAC AND ARTICLE II LEGAL DEFENSE FUND, are ... just fraud.
Where is the $$$$$ that you collected, supposedly for Larry Klayman ????
Shame on you!
@Anonymous
Here Is An Interesting Quote From Represent Yourself In Court: How To Prepare & Try A Winning Case, Written By Attorneys Paul Bergman & Sara Bergman. Publisher NOLO 7th Edition, Chapter 1, Page 16.
“ALJ’s (Administrative Law Judge’s) do not normally have to follow the rules of evidence that govern court-room trials. For example you can (emphasis added) offer hearsay evidence.”
RE: anon@ 2-20-12 10:20pm:
I agree with your remarks.
There is an inference that Obama has a WAR ROOM which is pre-empting all of these hearings with gruff, belligerent, and antagonistic members of the election commissions.
After all, Irion and Hatfield had a different tact and POV, and they ALSO got NOWHERE!
Orly is intelligent and her background is impressive, but she is GREEDY, AND A SELF-PROMOTER. She refuses any help, except financial, and probably, some of her contributions go into her senate fund.
She doesn't see that she is just like Obama: A USURPER.
She justifies her work as "pro bono".
She ain't gonna walk away because this is her entre into the CA Senate race: You gotta have name recognition(and a gimmick).
Something else will have to stop her, an audit perhaps? No restraining order or lawsuit, which is a waste of money, will work.
So, what can the Super Pac do?
HIRE A BIG GUN and push her out of the limelight.
Cmdr. Kerchner hired a "woman of the year", Karen Kieffer. That should help.
I recommended in earlier posts the VERY LIBERAL, ALAN DERSHOWITZ, at Harvard Law School:
http://www.law.harvard.edu/faculty/directory/index.html?id=12&show=bibliography
He is no longer an Obama supporter, and is recommending as long as Obama is associated with MEDIA MATTERS (Obama's GENETIC LYING LIBELOUS umbilical cord), NOT TO VOTE FOR OBAMA. Dershowitz is a constitutional AND criminal attorney. He has his students research the cases.
Dershowitz will be certain that witnesses are proffered and accepted by the Court. He will certify all evidence and affidavits.
Dershowitz takes on exceptional pro bono cases.
HE WILL TAKE ALL THE PUBLICITY AWAY FROM ORLY!
Orly is like the GOP candidates, a one-person wrecking crew, destroying unity from within.
If not Dershowitz, then Herb Titus, at least as the star witness.
Larry Klayman, since he lost Judicial Watch, has simply TOO MUCH BAGGAGE TO RECOVER. HE WILL BE SKEWERED. I am also quite concerned his retainers are being used for previous financial debt. You should keep all his costs in an escrow account and pay him as you go.
Obama has a bottomless flow of money coming in, from overseas (saudi prince) and beyond (federal budget laundering). Super Pac does not; merely small donations from modest citizens. There is no Foster Friess or Sheldon Adelson covering for us, not even a referral for a super lawyer!!
That is not to rule out that YOU SHOULD CONTACT THEM for financial aid!!
The "SUPERPAC" (LOVE that name) did not attack Taitz, but she attacked them. They had to respond and I think they did it accurately, with dignity and care. They have nothing to be ashamed of. According to their web site, they are raising money for ballot disputes in FL CA, PA and GA. None of the recipients have complained about any irregularities. Taitz is the only one to complain. Is it because they are not sending her any cash? No wonder :-). Taitz is throwing mud all over without checking all the facts. It is only reducing her stature even further. She is digging a very deep hole. My boss once told me, "when you find yourself in a deep hole, make sure you're not digging."
Taitz mentioned all kinds of names, but only a few are listed by the PAC. Tansey, Wilmott and Garoutte. The others she has attacked: Nelson, Klayman, Kerchner, Williams, Sewell, Miller, Barnett, Williams and Haskins are not even listed. Miller is shown as a "Strategic partner," with the obamaballotchallenge.com site. What does that mean? Klayman, Swensson, Powell and Kerchener are client-recipients of funding? Ask them if the PAC cheated them. This sounds like a hatchet job by Taitz.
This morning I left the following comment on Taitz's latest response at her blog. She has not let it through moderation.
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No Responses to “Update on Article2superpac”
Tom
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
February 25th, 2012 @ 10:35 am
Do you ever tell the truth?
Here is what was actually said about donations you no good liar!
“As to Taitz’s claim that donors who have contributed to the CA and FL efforts are being defrauded; this is an outright falsehood and irresponsible at best. However, if the donors who have contributed to either one of these efforts wish to receive their donation back we’d gladly comply. It speaks volumes that none have. Obviously they too have full faith in the lead Plaintiffs and Mr. Klayman.”
YOU NEED TO STOP YOUR LIES!
It looks like you, ARTICLE II SUPER PAC AND ARTICLE II LEGAL DEFENSE FUND, are ... just fraud.
Where is the $$$$$ that you collected, supposedly for Larry Klayman ????
Shame on you!
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As the director of Article II Super PAC, I take serious issue with this extremely inflammatory comment. What on earth would ever possess you to verbalize such ugly falsehoods?
As to where the money is? That is b/w the donors, the plaintiffs and the attorneys and quite frankly is none of your business!
@Helen Tansey
There seems to be some confusion over the $25,000 (12500 for CA and 12500 for FL). Why the 96 hour rush? What deadline were you trying to meet? Perhaps if you could explain the reasoning, people might be willing to support (donate) to the SuperPac.
This blog should segregate and start a permanent thread for the pro- and con-orly and snitting to stay away from substantive discussions?
The Civil Rights Act of 1866 says it all about the Founder's definition of a natural born citizen. It is still active as law and never deemed unconstitutional, thus it IS constitutional.
Anyone with any foreign citizenship at birth was not considered even a US Citizen, let alone the higher standard of a natural born citizen, by the founders.
1866 Civil Rights Act
14 Stat. 27-30, April 9, 1866 A.D.
CHAP. XXXI.
An Act to protect all Persons in the United States in their Civil Rights, and furnish the Means of their Vindication.
"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States; and such citizens, of every race and color, without regard to any previous condition of slavery or involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall have the same right, in every State and Territory in the United States, to make and enforce contracts, to sue, be parties, and give evidence, to inherit, purchase, lease, sell, hold, and convey real and personal property, and to full and equal benefit of all laws and proceedings for the security of person and property, as is enjoyed by white citizens, and shall be subject to like punishment, pains, and penalties, and to none other, any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, to the contrary notwithstanding."
All:
Since my name was dragged into this fray by Orly Taitz for reasons unfathomable to me since I have done nothing in the past but try to help help her since she first appeared on the scene in the late fall of 2008, even donating money to her efforts repeatedly, I am happy to set the record straight that all donations made to the Article II Legal Defense Fund - PA campaign are being sent by check regularly to my attorney who then puts it into her trust account for use in the PA action. I also receive regular weekly reports listing all donations. The Article II Super PAC and Article II Legal Defense Fund people have been totally professional, efficient, and honest in all their dealing with me and our action in PA. As to Orly attacking the Article II orgs and now me by name is totally baffling. I appreciate the support of the two Article II orgs and will continue to avail myself of their services to expose the usurper-in-chief and unconstitutional, illegal resident of the Oval Office.
CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret)
Lead Plaintiff/Objector
Kerchner/Laudenslager v Obama
Pennsylvania Ballot Challenge/Objection
cdrkerchner.wordpress.com
@A Legal Constitutional Mind
Here Is An Interesting Quote From Represent Yourself In Court: How To Prepare & Try A Winning Case, Written By Attorneys Paul Bergman & Sara Bergman. Publisher NOLO 7th Edition, Chapter 1, Page 16.
“ALJ’s (Administrative Law Judge’s) do not normally have to follow the rules of evidence that govern court-room trials. For example you CAN (emphasis added ) offer hearsay evidence.”
Also from the Indiana Administrative Code…(I don’t know it this is applicable to ballot challenges but it’s worth researching)
IC 31-33-19-3
Hearsay evidence
31-33-19-3 Sec. 3. During an administrative hearing under section 1 of this chapter, the administrative hearing officer shall consider hearsay evidence to be competent evidence and may not exclude hearsay based on the technical rules of evidence. However, a determination may not be based solely on evidence that is hearsay.
As added by P.L.1-1997, SEC.16.
What got Orly upset was, she read that Art2SuperPac was raising $25,000 for Klayman. Orly thinks any money any birther donates ought to go to her and nobody else. Even though her husband is a multimillionaire and she lives in a $4 million home, she's spending a huge amount of money running around the country spreading the shit everywhere she goes. In case you didn't notice by listening closely, she isn't even arguing that President Obama is ineligible any more. All she does is accuse him of crimes that have nothing at all to do with eligibility. She just does smears, not law. She doesn't know anything about how to get evidence properly admitted, and we've been telling you for years that all her so-called evidence is inadmissible. Now that election commissions and administrative law judges have ruled that her so-called evidence is inadmissible, we've been proved correct. But Orly believes that "authenticating" a document means you get on the witness stand and testify that you really, really, REALLY think the evidence is true, even if you have no corroboration or foundation for admissibility.
Ah, well. She's entertaining, I'll give her that much. Us Obots were watching the hearing on live feed yesterday morning, and laughing our asses off in my chat room.
Respect ====> To Cmdr. Kerchner
Orly: Go fill a tooth
A shout out to our dear friend, supporter and counselor Commander Kerchner, THANK YOU, SIR. We are honored to be a part of your action in Pennsylvania and look forward to next weeks hearing. May you and your most competent counselor be victorious!
Now folks, let's get behind the Commander and support him and his efforts and cease this nonsensical and sheer waste of time crappola!
@Anonymous
The Civil Rights Act of 1866 says it all about the Founder's definition of a natural born citizen. It is still active as law and never deemed unconstitutional, thus it IS constitutional.
Anyone with any foreign citizenship at birth was not considered even a US Citizen, let alone the higher standard of a natural born citizen, by the founders.
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The Civil Rights Act of 1866 was rendered moot by the passage of the 14th Amendment: "ALL persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."
In any event, the current US Supreme Court has shown no interest whatsoever in applying provisions of the Civil Rights Act of 1866 to exclude the eligibility of Barack Obama.
The Supreme Court has already denied 17 appeals related to Obama's Article II, Section 1 eligibility.
The Supreme Court has already denied 17 appeals related to Obama's Article II, Section 1 eligibility.
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Because they can only accept a small fraction of the number of cases that people file every year. They have to pick and choose only the most important cases. Y'all think this is the most important case in this great nation, but they know that the fake imaginary "two citizen parents" rule was ruled against more than 100 yrs. ago, in Wong Kim Ark.
They're devoting an entire week of oral arguments to the "Obamacare" cases, did you see that? But they're never going to take 5 minutes to revisit the law of natural born citizenship, because it was settled long, long ago.
Anonymous at 2:39 pm
"@Helen Tansey
There seems to be some confusion over the $25,000 (12500 for CA and 12500 for FL). Why the 96 hour rush? What deadline were you trying to meet? Perhaps if you could explain the reasoning, people might be willing to support (donate) to the SuperPac."
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The short answer is those who choose to use the LDF fundraising platform have their own fundraising strategies and deadlines. They manage this communication for reasons that is solely known to them. Like I said in the letter, we do not engage in the plaintiffs strategies - fundraising or legal. We support them and provide them a vehicle to do the work they are doing.
Imagine for a moment if you filed a challenge in your respective state. You filed it pro se and then thought to yourself" self, I need an attorney." You then, not us, but you then spend hours researching, talking, interviewing attorneys. You decide on a particular one for whatever reasons. You then know you have to raise $$$ to cover said expenses. Where do you go? And when you identify such an organization how do you, the plaintiff, the guy whose butt is on the line, maintain control?
There was no such vehicle available to the citizens prior to the A2LDF. So A2 created such a vehicle ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZEN.
If there is nothing else we've learned in this process it is the fact that each state challenge has different demands. It is not an apple to apple situation. Therefore, the CA/Fl plaintiffs have their own strategy of which none of us at Art2 are privy too. We trust and respect these plaintiffs just as we do in GA and PA. That simple.
I also wish to point out the fact that they are continuing to fundraise. As a matter a fact so is Pennsylvania. These plaintiffs are people who have labored in this movement since 2008. All of them have been at the forefront filing suits, educating folks, raising money for others efforts and so much more. These good and decent people simply want to do everything they can to turn back the tide of what we know, is fact and is beyond proven that an unqualified person, a person who simply does not meet the qualifications laid out under Article II, three, mind you simple ones, to serve as POTUS. PERIOD.
It is easy for any to ridicule and throw lobs of falsehoods at your fellow citizens from a keyboard, BUT I ask you to stop it and to hold those accountable who do.
We have a gargantuan hill to climb b/w now and November and dammit our trust and support must go to all of those who are leading the way and yes, that includes Art2.
We are not the enemy nor is anyone who has filed a challenge attempting to defraud anybody. I find it terribly sad that we are even having this conversation. Let's end it and start one that is actually productive and meaningful to the heavy load of work that lies ahead.
And, I ask all of you, especially those who are lurking, visit http://www.article2legaldefensefund.com and make a donation. Support these good people. Get behind them. Help them make the difference they are working hard to make for you!
Yep SCOTUS settled that NBC
is 2 US Citizen parents, child born on US soil
in Minor v. Happersett
and the Civil Rights Act of 1866 STILL ON THE BOOKS AND CONSTITUTIONAL
KEVIN RICHARD POWELL v. BARACK OBAMA
Appeals Update & Case Chronology
http://pixelpatriot.blogspot.com/2012/02/appeals-update-and-case-chronology.html
Anonymous 5:46
As long as the "Competent Lawyers" keep on using Minor vs. Happersett, they will continue to lose.
M v H simply states who is a NBC. It DOES NOT state who is NOT:
"It was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents."
It even says "Some authorities consider NBC those who are born "Within the jurisdiction REGARDLESS of the citizenship of the parents. It also says that the ruling DOES NOT solve the doubts that some have as to the second group.
Here is an example of the ruling in terms that even a "Competent Lawyer" can understand:
It was never doubted that Lawyers that pass the Bar Exam are College Graduates. They are considered Alumni of the institutions that they attended. Get it? It does not mean that you must be a lawyer to be a college graduate.
Another example:
There is no doubt that billionaires are wealthy people and as such, they can afford expensive stuff. It does not mean that you must be a billionaire to be wealthy.
I have no doubts that the founding fathers meant that an NBC must have parent who are citizens. However, Minor vs. Happersett is not the case to use.
@Helen Tansey
Have you provided any money to Tisdale (Tisdale v. Obama)?
He really needs an attorney.
@Torch n PitchForks
If you're going to quote the Minor case try not adding in words that are not in there.
"The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, IT WAS NEVER DOUBTED that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to THIS CLASS there have BEEN DOUBTS, but NEVER AS TO THE FIRST....."
You see there was "NEVER ANY DOUBT" that a "natural born Citizen" is any person born in the United States to "CITIZEN PARENTS".
However there is "DOUBT" in regards to any other person born in the United States to non-Citizen parents.
Anon @ 6:18 pm - I will contact Mr. Tisdale to learn more about his case.
@Anonymous
RE: @Helen Tansey
There seems to be some confusion over the $25,000 (12500 for CA and 12500 for FL). Why the 96 hour rush? What deadline were you trying to meet? Perhaps if you could explain the reasoning, people might be willing to support (donate) to the SuperPac.
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February 25, 2012 2:39 PM
Will attempt to answer that question:
I called, asked and learned the following: The 96 hours was four days that they needed to get Larry engaged in time to file a FL complaint on the target date of February 16. The $25,00 was for activity in two states.
They were not able to raise the specified amount in time, attributing that to a late start and donor disillusionment about the Georgia ruling. However, Klayman started anyway with what they had, but the complaint was submitted by a citizen that same day. Klayman is now working on the case, developing a strategy, milestones and amending the complaint.
There are not yet sufficient funds to pursue one of the CA cases, but it is being studied.
My post includes the "NEVER ANY DOUBT" part.
I did not add any words to the decision. In fact, I cut and pasted it directly from the ruling. The fact that the ruling states that there are DOUBTS about the other class, clearly confirms that they ARE NOT necessarily excluded. If they had no doubts, then they would have been excluded.
A DOUBT is a possibility or a feeling, not a fact!
I have DOUBTS that you have enough money in the bank to cover the check that you gave me, does not mean that in fact you do not have the funds.
The NBC angle will never work unless someone find a precedent in which the court clearly states who IS NOT an NBC.
The only thing that the NBC will accomplish is to allow the usurped to laugh his all the way to another term in the White House.
To continue pursuit the NBC, while ignoring the fact that the long form BC is a forgery, is the equivalent of having someone on tape robbing a bank and charging him only with illegal parking while robbing the bank.
"while ignoring the fact that the long form BC is a forgery"
That is a criminal matter. Let us know when you find an AG or Prosecutor willing to do something.
I can't believe everyone here, you get so entangled in fighting with each other. Why don't you put that energy to work and help find the truth and get Obama of the ballot. The energy you morons spend pointing fingers and blaming each other and all of the Ha Ha Ha Ha got you it's ridiculous. Go back to sleep you idiots and find something else to bitch about. Let us do our work. www.wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com
@Anonymous
To continue pursuit the NBC, while ignoring the fact that the long form BC is a forgery, is the equivalent of having someone on tape robbing a bank and charging him only with illegal parking while robbing the bank.
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I'm curious as to how you know a document that you've never seen is a forgery? All any of us have seen is scanned images of the original document that have been posted to web sites.
The state of Hawaii's Director of Health states unequivocably:
“I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai'i.”
Loretta Fuddy, Director of Health, State of Hawai'i, April 27, 2011.
No one has impeached Ms. Fuddy's statement in a court of law and no congressional hearings have been held to challenge her statement.
No member of Congress has even requested that Ms. Fuddy appear before a congressional committee and testify under oath.
RE:
"The misrepresentation of facts by Taitz about who Article II Super PAC and Article II Legal Defense Fund must cease immediately. Taitz is invited to write director@art2superpac.com or call 804.840.1449 anytime. This invitation has been extended many times since we launched the PAC and LDF, but to date Taitz has chosen not to reach out and learn the facts regarding our work. However, the invitation remains open, but the misrepresentation of facts must end now."
Helen: You need to put a red phone on your desk like Glenn Beck did for Obama.
The law is settled!!!!!
THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1866=OBAMA NOT ELIGIBLE
Torch n Pitchforks @ February 25, 2012 7:22 PM
I did not add any words to the decision. In fact, I cut and pasted it directly from the ruling. The fact that the ruling states that there are DOUBTS about the other class, clearly confirms that they ARE NOT necessarily excluded.
Really?
Torch n Pitchforks @ February 25, 2012 5:46 PM
It even says "Some authorities consider NBC those who are born "Within the jurisdiction REGARDLESS of the citizenship of the parents. It also says that the ruling DOES NOT solve the doubts that some have as to the second group.
You said, "Some authorities consider NBC those who are born Within the jurisdiction REGARDLESS of the citizenship of the parents."
Here is the actual text, spooned out to you so you might understand:
"...it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners."
"Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to THIS CLASS there have BEEN DOUBTS, but NEVER AS TO THE FIRST..."
What is actually said, "Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents."
Your claim that, "Some authorities consider NBC those who are born Within the jurisdiction REGARDLESS of the citizenship of the parents." IS INCORRECT.
@AnonymousTHE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1866=OBAMA NOT ELIGIBLE
Exactly! The opening sentence states, "Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States;"
Nobama's father was a subject of Kenyan and a subject of the Queen of England!!! This isn't rocket science people. If a 62 year old Viet Nam vet can figure it out, what the hell is wrong with the judges in this country--WTF!
@Anonymous"I'm curious as to how you know a document that you've never seen is a forgery?"
I don't have to see it, you stupid Obot! Every document expert who has ever looked at it has said it's fake--what more do you need?? God, what is it with these people that they can hear the truth, hear the facts, and still they pretend like nothing is wrong. I JUST DON'T GET IT!
@Anonymous"while ignoring the fact that the long form BC is a forgery" That is a criminal matter. Let us know when you find an AG or Prosecutor willing to do something.
We will, Obot, once we can find a judge who has the intestinal fourtitude to stand up for the Constitution and WE THE PEOPLE!
This Articel Is Worthy Of Your Consideration
From The Post & E-Mail
Obama Syndicate Plans Imminent Takeover of USA by Islam and Globalists
http://www.thepostemail.com/2012/02/26/obama-syndicate-plans-imminent-takeover-of-usa-by-islam-and-globalists/
This Article Is Worthy Of Your Consideration
From The Post & E-Mail
Obama Syndicate Plans Imminent Takeover of USA by Islam and Globalists
http://www.thepostemail.com/2012/02/26/obama-syndicate-plans-imminent-takeover-of-usa-by-islam-and-globalists/
Helen provided an explanation (?adequate?).
Why did it take so long ???
@Anonymous
So according to you every time Orly throws out false accusations then everyone should immediately stop what they're doing and respond? Get real dude!
Most people's lives don't revolve around Orly.
The PAC should not have even wasted their valuable time responding to Orly's delusional crap.
Orly is just pissed that potential donations are being diverted from her failed ventures.
How many cases has Orly won?
How many cases of Orly's set precedent now making it nearly impossible for other cases to succeed? Just about all of them!
Taitz vs. Astrue come to mind?
Thanks Orly!!
"Ralph Swain said...[Reply]
@Anonymous"I'm curious as to how you know a document that you've never seen is a forgery?"
I don't have to see it, you stupid Obot! Every document expert who has ever looked at it has said it's fake--what more do you need?? God, what is it with these people that they can hear the truth, hear the facts, and still they pretend like nothing is wrong. I JUST DON'T GET IT!"
No one has seen it and no document expert (questioned document examiner/forensic document expert) has ever opined on it.
It's obvious why you don't get it.
Anonymous 4:19
Eh, you don't have to convince me... I'd be willing to believe anything to get rid of that pile of living garbage. All you have to do is convinced a judge.
However, trying to read into a decision something that you wish it was there, does not accomplishes anything.
The fact is that whether you like or not, presenting Minor vs. Happersett in the eligibility cases has only resulted in two Courts ruling that ANYONE born on US soil is an NBC.
One is was Malihi in Georgia and the other in Indiana in the Ankeny case. By the way, isn't interesting that ANKENY is the anagram for KENYAN? That's the way things are and is going to stay that way until the SCOTUS says otherwise. Good luck with that!
To end my posts on this subject, all I can say is: "The definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result"
So, keep on Happersetting them! Only 47 more to go.
ARTICLE II SUPER PAC: Can you please justify your assertion:
"As to Taitz’s claim that donors who have contributed to the CA and FL efforts are being defrauded;"
Where exactly did Orly claim this?
The misrepresentation of facts by Article II Super PAC and Article II Legal Defense Fund must cease immediately.
ORYR should not provide a platform for such baseless misrepresentation of facts.
@Anonymous
How many eligibility cases have you won?
The same number as Orly Taitz ZERO!
Read Orly's version of the story at
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=32169
including her response to Larry's recent letter to her regarding this matter.
It looks like Orly deserves an apology from ARTICLE II SUPER PAC, ARTICLE II LEGAL DEFENSE FUND, and ORYR.
I DEMAND ORLY TAITZ ACCOUNT FOR AND SHOW EVERY DONATION SHE HAS RECEIVED SINCE 2008 AND WHERE THAT MONEY HAS GONE!!!!
I WANT TO SEE A FULL ACCOUNTING!!!
IS SHE PAYING TAXES ON ALL THOSE DONATIONS???
I WANT TO SEE THE PROOF NOW!!!
ORYR,
YOU SHOULD BAN ALL OBOTS AND ORLYBOTS FROM POSTING AT THIS SITE!!
THEY ARE BOTH A BUNCH DERANGED IDIOTS!!!!
@Anonymous
LOL Listen the fascists!
Ban Free Speech!
Ban Free Speech!
Oh their irony and their idiocy knows no limits!
ROFLAMO
@Anonymous
If Orly is going to ban comments at her site then this site should do the same.
I have spoken to about a dozen people that have tried to post comments on her articles about the PAC and LDF and she refuses to publish them.
What is Orly trying to hide?
ORYR do not have to ban Orly from this site. They have already (effectively) done this long time ago. They are extremely selective in their reporting, e.g. the IN hearing.
What a mess!
Perhaps that is because she is afraid they may be stealing peoples money and she does not want to be an accomplise to it.
Who knows what her motives are?
@Anonymous
Do you mean this hearing in Indiana?
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/02/indiana-election-commission-obamas-moms.html
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/02/indiana-election-commission-warns-obama.html
@Anonymous
Or perhaps it is because Orly is pissed off that donations are being diverted from her?
Have you ever seen Orly account for all the donations she has received and where each penny has been spent?
Are you calling Cdr. Kerchner a liar when he says the Article 2 LDF has been very professional and has provided him weekly reports on donations received?
I ask again when has Orly ever accounted for all her donations since 2008?
@Torch & Pitchforks - you are incorrect in your interpretation of Minor. The problem lies in your confusion of the terms 'citizen' and 'natural born citizen'. We know from the Constitutional requirements for Senate vs. POTUS that there is a difference between 'citizen' and 'natural born citizen'. Therefore, when reading a sentence written by the SCOTUS, you must treat each separate terms as conveying a separate idea, otherwise the Constitution is redundant...which has long been established to be an unacceptable approach to interpreting law.
Let's create a more easy to understand example and assign new terms to this quote for clarity. In the Minor case, the Court was trying to decide if Minor was a citizen. There were two classes mentioned in the Consitution...citizens and natural born citizens...neither were defined. It was logically clear, however, that ALL 'natural born' citizens also fell within the class of 'citizen'.
In my example, the Court is trying to determine if Minor is a minority. Let's assume she is hispanic. Let's also assume, just as in the real Minor case, there are two classes mentioned in the Constitution...minorities and hispanics. Neither were defined but it was logically clear that ALL hispanics were also minorities. Here is the quote again under these scenario:
"The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be HISPANIC. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At COMMON-LAW, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children of or relating to Spain, or Spanish speaking Latin America were themselves, upon their birth, MINORITIES also. These were Latinos, or Hispanics, as distinguished from African-Americans or Asians. Some authorities go further and include as Minorities children of or relating to Asia. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts...."
Now, would you say that definition of Hispanic provided in the above quote is complete? Would you argue that Asians might also fit into the class of Hispanics? Of course not. You can only argue that they might fit into the class of minorities.
The same is true of Minor. You can't argue that those born in the US, without reference to the citizenship of their parents, might also be natural born. You can only argue that they might be 14th Amendment citizens and no more.
Check and mate my friend.
-What got Orly upset was, she read that Art2SuperPac was raising $25,000 for Klayman. Orly thinks any money any birther donates ought to go to her and nobody else. Even though her husband is a multimillionaire and she lives in a $4 million home.
Check it out Deano. The FAGGS are on your side..!
Let's make them our NEW LEADERS..! They are in agreement with most here..! Down with Orly, Yeah..!
Remember the anti-Orly star, Dean C. Haskins, the boss at the Birther SUMIT?
Well, read this:
http://www.birthersummit.org/
Posted by: Dean C. Haskins
dean@birthersummit.orgThis e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it
202.241.3648
Posted: February 21, 2012
© 2012 The Birther Summit
Based upon multiple factors, Vattelevision, LLC, the parent company of The Birther Summit, has postponed, indefinitely, its planned event in Washington, DC.
So his BIG EVENT is off!
ORYR will no doubt blame Orly for this as well!
In any case, no word about this announcement on this website!
Interesting!
It's clear that the Orly supporters are actors being paid to make 'birthers' look stupid, crazy, bigoted or racist. Commykiller is a perfect example.
@Commykiller
Sadly for us Constitutionalists the Obot Foggy is correct about Orly and donations.
Orly is all about donations, donations, donations.
Just go spend twenty minutes reading her blog.
"It looks like Orly deserves an apology from ARTICLE II SUPER PAC, ARTICLE II LEGAL DEFENSE FUND, and ORYR."
LMAO
You Orlybots just don't get it!
How much is Orly paying you to defend her disgusting actions?
What actions, LMAO?
-It's clear that the Orly supporters are actors being paid to make 'birthers' look stupid, crazy, bigoted or racist. Commykiller is a perfect example.
It's also clear, That the Orly Bashers are in bed with the FAGGBLOWS..!(Notice the use of the race card again. The well know "Fag Tactic".) As per their own admission:
-"Sadly for us Constitutionalists the Obot Foggy is correct about Orly and donations."
This COWARD ANON here is a perfect example.
Well, if they're right about Orly, they're probably right about YOMAMA. Right Faggies..?!
The more Taitz keeps her mouth open, the more things like THIS WILL TAKE PLACE...
http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/planning-for-islamic-caliphate-to-begin/
And she continues in her attack today...
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=32255
"I still did not get straight answers on multiple questions asked, but I got some information:
1. Helen Tansey, president of the article2superpac still did not disclose, what type of entity is the offshut from superpac, which they call “article2 legal defense fund”. Is it a not for profit foundation or is it a for profit foundation? Is it a private company? When Helen Tansey is collecting thousands of dollars from the public, claiming that it goes to attorneys, she owes the public an answer
2. What are the names of the people, who run this article2 legal defense fund? Is there a separate trust account for the fund? Who controls this trust account?
3. Who writes checks from the Article2legaldefense fund?"
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