Two States Move Forward Proof of Eligibility Bills
for Presidential and Vice-Presidential Candidates
House Elections Committee Approves Rowland Birther Bill
Fired Up Missouri: Rep. Lyle Rowland's recycled birther bill was voted out of the House Elections Committee yesterday morning by a 7-2-1 vote. -more.
Missouri HB 1046 reads in part:
Requires proof of identity and status as a United States natural born citizen for the office of President and Vice President to be submitted with other required certification documents to the Secretary of State. http://www.house.mo.gov/billsummary.aspx?bill=HB1046
House panel passes bill derided as 'birther' inspired
The Capital-Journal: A House committee approved a bill Wednesday requiring candidates for state and federal office to provide proof of citizenship, a reflection of the "birther" movement raising questions of President Barack Obama's status as a U.S. citizen. -more.
Kansas HB 2224 reads in part:
Within 10 days after the submittal of the names of the candidates, the national political party committee shall submit proof that such candidates are natural born citizens of the United States by providing a document or a photocopy of such document listed in paragraphs (1) through (13) of K.S.A. 25-2309(l), and amendments thereto, to the secretary of state, or by seeking an assessment of evidence of United States citizenship by the state election board pursuant to K.S.A. 25-2309(m), and amendments thereto.
If the national political party does not submit the United States citizenship documents to the secretary of state or seek an assessment of evidence of United States citizenship by the state election board as required by this subsection, the secretary of state shall not place those candidates' names on the ballot in this state. http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2011_12/measures/documents/cr_2012_hb2224_h_4214.pdf
ARTICLE II ELIGIBILITY FACTS HERE: http://www.art2superpac.com/issues.html
62 comments:
We just need one state to reject BHO to expose this fraud. Just one state will tell the entire nation of thecrimes that have been brought onto the American people.
Crucial to both these bills would be effective dates. If not passed in time for 2012 elections these become moot (for now) since barry soetero would not qualify in 2016 anyway.
This fraud, liar-in-chief of no documentation is produced by CIA controlling entities of our political system. Keep watching ...everything will not matter. I personally asked Sheriff Joe why the CIA is silent, the FBI, Congress, etc. he knows from Noriega days (Contra affair) strings are pulled from powers way above barry soetero. He (barry NO Name) happened to be the most pliable puppet and apt teleprompter reader available at the time.
I wish sheriff joe would move the press conference date up to monday. We have been waiting since august. We dont have any more time to waist.
It's about time that some lawmakers are having the balls to get something done about this constitutional crisis being caused by the White House squatter being the piece of shit he is when it comes to refusing to conclusively assure us that he is even a citizen, let alone a natural-born citizen.
BE vigilant patriots. The tighter the noose, the more dangerous the criminal. I put nothing past this Usurper to cause something to happen that will put everything on hold.
at this point i predict they will pass bills that will not affect this election cycle, but will instead snare Rubio, Jindal and santorum if he runs again. Nobody wants to be seen as a Raaaaciiissst and make ZerObama pull out his bad papers
I wonder how Natural Born Citizen will be defined, founding father style or just jumped the border fence and Paco just popped out on US soil style
The lawmakers of this Kansas bill are wrong. 8 U.S.C. Sections 1401 to 1409 of the 14th Amendment don't even mention the term 'natural born Citizen'. It defines citizen only, not natural born Citizen. The way this bill is written, all Obama has to do is show the fraudulent long form to the SOS and that's it.
Will any of this directly effect Obama in time to prevent his re-election?
The Missouri bill is meaningless in terms of Soetoro. It states that it does not take affect until 2016. I live in Missouri and e-mailed Rowland regarding that fact. He has not responded.
@Covert Informant
I figured it was a worthless hoax.
we all need to demand that our states question obama's status as a NBC. right now the only thing about Obama is hes a natural born commie. taking back our nation starts at the state level. by voting in only secretary of states that know the constitutional meaning of natural born citizen. and just because Obama is black is no reason to give him a pass. it is not racist to protect our nation. and anyone who try's to scream racism is just trying to cover up a crime. don't be shouted down by anyone when they try ask them what are they trying to hide. We've had enough of the false cry's of racism. most who scream racism are the racists.
there is nothing in the constitution that's there without reason. A2S1C5 defines NBC and the holding in Minor is in effect. Case Closed.
Both the Missouri and Kansas bills are dangerous, sick "jokes" since they do NOT address the issue of proof of "natural born" citizenship, ie. the requirement of proof of citizenship of the candidate's parents at the time of his birth, but merely focus on the birth-place proof of the candidate, ie. mere "citizenship". How stupid and neglectful or worse to omit the parental citizenship proof. In what alternate universe have these legislators been living for the past 3 or more years? Do they think we are that stupid! Far, far better to have NO state statute requiring specific evidence of "citizenship", particularly when also mentioning "natural born citizenship" in the statute, then to have either of these two bills enacted into law. The net result will be to compound the error of confusing "citizenship" with "natural born citizenship", create enormous additional confusion and give tremondous cover for those who have and continue to violate, deride and ridicule the "natural born citenship" requirent of the Constitution.
@Ed K
Both bills are only looking for a proof of citizenship at birth.
Paco for President
I am wondering what the sheriff found too. I think that if the sheriff's findings damage Obama, it will not be reported on, including FOX. I am not sure what can be done on a state level but surely he should be able to get the county DA to press charges.
This is a living example of what happens when the press is controlled by political parties.
I can't even put a simple flyer up in a pizza shop because the opponent supporters take it down. Now multiply that a zillion times and thats what we are up against.
I looked up natural born citizen in Wikipedia and it does not support the birther position. Can any of you direct me to a recognized constitutional scholar who supports the birther position? I really do mean RECOGNIZED scholar like judge Bork or another well known jurist. Thanks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause_of_the_U.S._Constitution
Gov. brewer let the whole nation down when she vetoed Arizona's birther bill. RINO! TRAITOR!
5:54 Wikpedia is just not a reliable source of any fact. Ask your self this, why did Constitution authors declare a differance of requirement for POTUS (natural born)? Congress, senate are not held to the same Standard. (NBC)
Then if that is not enough to help you see the facts, ask yourself why Mr. Transparency has put up so many obstacles to any of us learning his true history. Then to add insult, he proclaims that a person with nothing to hide , hides nothing. Much hypocrasy and playing the folk like a fiddle and demanding we dance to his tune, all the time just blowing air and asking us to believe we hear music. I can not understand how so many intelligant people do not see and or feel the problem with who ever he really is,
I do not claim to know the TRUTH, but I do know no one else does either. I do know something is very, very suspicious, and after 3 plus years of trying, I certainly do not have one fact, that is provable , that fact makes me believe there is a problem here. Who t f is he?
Jerome corsi just reported on wnd that sheriff joe will only release his preliminary report at the march 1st press conference and not the entire report. They are both a bunch of liars and frauds.
Jerome corsi and sheriff joe are playing us all for fools. I always wondered why the WND REPORTERS WHO HAVE BEEN AT THE WHITEHOUSE EVERYDAY SINCE 2009 never ask questions about or bring up his eligibility,connecticut social security number since 1986,or nbc status. They talk about it on their website but never bring it up in the whitehouse meetings. Now I think I know why. This is a real nazi style takeover from the inside.
PLEASE HELP!
I am trying to find the video of Alan Keyes debating zerO for the Senate seat in IL. Keyes makes a statement directly to zerO that he was not born in the US and zerO says he is running for Senate not President. Please post a link if you have one, I think I saw it here on ORYR a year ago. thanks, Ed
The social security number was brought up during a White House press briefing by WND's correspondent Les Klinsolving. The White House
The White House spun the question back on Les and then quickly ended the briefing.
I think the people who are calling Corsi and Sheriff Joe liars and frauds before anything from the Cold Case Posse has been released, are Obots.
How about waiting until the information is released, both preliminary and final, then if it is warranted, start the name calling.
And we want our courts to do something about Obama's eligibility, when we have a judge who spits on the Constitution to protect a muslim??
Atheist choked by Muslim, and then ...
http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/atheist-choked-by-muslim-and-then/
Rob
@Anonymous
I don't think that Sheriff Joe will hold his conference before he said he would - March 1st. That way, America will not hear any bad Barry / Barack news during February's Black History Month. After all, haven't the lib / extremist pundits been secretly saying that if the Mulatto putative president were exposed, there would be rioting in American streets? Frankly, I think that scenario prediction fear is BS and belittling American blacks!
@Nathan M. Bickel
And if you ask me that is the lamest excuse out there and shows how bad the black nazis want power.
@Nathan M. Bickel
Sadly, I believe there will be rioting and civil unrest if and when Hussien Obama is rightfully removed from office.
After seeing how black people reacted to the OJ Simpson verdict and the Rodney King verdict, I seriously doubt that most black people give a rat's patootee about Obama's true identity. They only seem to care about one thing, his race.
@Anonymous
A preliminary report merely suggests that the investigation is on going.
Sheriff Joe should release early, using the element of surprise, in law enforcement you catch em off guard and observe, or in war you then destroy them.
law enforcement/investigation tactic is to use element of surprise to put the suspect off balance to gain information or confession. if he sticks to the 3/1 date, there wont be anything to tune in for. If you are surprised by an early release watch the Obamedia scramble and slip up.
@Ed K You won't find it, trust me I've tried for years after I first saw it on YouTube. It's not there now. Whoever owns it is making sure it's never seen again.
As for these eligibility bills, Obutt will just make a paper copy of the online photo of the fake long form and the states will take it. We have no hope until the SCOTUS rules on the defination of nbC. I've finally come to that conclusion.
@AnonymousHerb Titus, Harvard trained lawyer, has argued at Supreme Court...demonstrates the meaning of NBC, article is right here on this site! http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/05/attorney-dr-herb-titus-born-in-hawaii.html
So...O.whodat will submit a photocopy of the photocopy of his forged nativity record, which there has been NO ruling on its authenticity, it will be accepted as proof of citizenship and since there has been no ruling on the definition of nbC,it won't make any difference that his baby daddy was not an American citizen.
Greatest Orly smackdown EVAR in the Indiana Election Commission today.
Commissioner: "You interrupt me again and your butt is GONE, do you understand me?"
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! EPIC BIRTHER FAIL!!!!!!!!
be realistic about riots. idiots like Samuel Jackson, Danny Glover, other celebs still have stars in their eyes over zerObama, watch a few episodes of cops and some of these reality and award shows and then reconsider if riots will happen, dont forget Katrina looting and Rodney King riots, and these new rampaging/wilding twitter flash mob shit. Please state again that you think this belittle blacks and riots wont happen. Please get real.
@Ed K
EdK,
Lots of people have looked high and low for that video. While some of us did find one, it looks like the audio was removed from it.
Kansas just killed the eligibility bill.
anniemouse 6:40,
Thanks for the response but you didn't answer the question. Can someone name a recognized constitutional scholar who agrees that NBS means both parents must be born in the US?
I can't find one. I've checked the conservative legal websites, including the Federalist Society, with no luck.
Thanks,
Did Lady Liberty win her hearing today?
2 Things:
1) The Kansas Bill was just stricken from the calendar by rule 1507. It is now officially dead.
http://www.kslegislature.org/li/events/house/
2) @ Ed K re: The Obama-Keye's Debates. The videos and transcripts of all of them can be found on Ambassador Keyes's own website.
http://2004.keyesarchives.com/
Not only is the comment you are looking for nowhere on any of these videos, Tom Hoefling the chairman of his 2008 presidential campaign has repeatedly claimed it never happened. This (for example) is what he told a Birther website in 2009 responding to the claim on the Post & Email:
"Unfortunately, John Charlton is a liar….he posted on his website a story today claiming, among other things, that Obama conceded he was born in Kenya during a debate….this is NOT true….I got in touch with Keyes campaign chairman and below is his response:
Your instincts are right. That exchange never happened. It was the invention of somebody on the internet, one which seems to have sort of taken on a life of its own.
Thanks for your diligence in getting at the truth.
Tom Hoefling
Chairman, America’s Independent Party
Chairman, Alan Keyes for President 2008"
http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=3876
anony 12:15
Titus and Vieira and Apuzo and Donofrio
all JDs, the first two from Harvard
all concur that NBC = 2 US Citizen parents, born on US soil
I just love the way some of you delight in your abuse of Orly Taitz. It's as if some of you are really on Obama's side.
Article I says congress must be a US Citizen
Article II says POTUS must be a natural born citizen
thus they are different
the latter is a subcategory of the former
There's 2 kinds of US Citizens: naturalized and natural born citizens
naturalized are any statutory citizens
as in 1 US citizen parent born abroad or in-country
or 2 US Citizen parents born abroad
or born in-country as a former slave (1868 14th amendment born subject to jurisdiction)
so the only possible remaining permutation is 2 US citizen parents born on US soil...
the definition of NBC cannot possibly be born in-country alone, since even for those born subject to jurisdiction, that was just a US Citizen, not a NBC, says so in the 14th amendment
if your are looking for proof of what a natural born citizen is look no farther than the senate resolution on John McCain that stated two citizen parents. This was signed by BO and Hillary as senators. Since 2003 the Dems in the Senate have tried to pass a bill to get around the NBC requirements.
A Statutory 14th Amendment Citizen Cannot Legally Be President: Only a Natural Born Citizen is Eligible.
The US Supreme Court has ruled by precedent holding that Obama is ineligible as POTUS.
First, the requirement per the US Constitution is that the president must be a natural born citizen.
Article II Section 1 Clause 5 of the US Constitution
“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
What is a Natural Born Citizen? The Supreme Court has Ruled:
Minor v. Happersett, 1875
"At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.”
Luria v. U.S., 1913
“Under our Constitution, a naturalized citizen stands on an equal footing with the native citizen in all respects save that of eligibility to the Presidency.”
Until Minor v. Happersett is overturned, the SCOTUS holding stands: Obama is not eligible to be president of the United States. He is only a usurper.
Obama Agrees That Natural Born Citizens Require Two US Citizen Parents
“Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.”--Barack Obama, SR 511
John McCain is a "naturalized" citizen. He gets his citizenship via the Immigration and Nationality Act -- "by statute."
Sec. 301. [8 U.S.C. 1401] The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;
John Bingham, Father of the 14th Amendment, March 9, 1866 Congressional Record
"I find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of the Constitution itself, a natural-born citizen..."
There are 2 kinds of US Citizens, statutory naturalized and natural born citizens
Statutory naturalized US Citizens include
0 US Citizen parents born in-country subject to jurisdiction (as in former slaves, 14th amendment added in 1868)
1 US Citizen parent born anywhere
2 US Citizen parents born abroad
since a natural born citizen, is what a statutory citizen is not
the only remaining permutation is 2 US Citizen parents, born on US soil
there is no redundancy allowed or that exists in the US Constitution, and every syllable has meaning
Marbury v. Madison
1866 Civil Rights Act
14 Stat. 27-30, April 9, 1866 A.D.
CHAP. XXXI.
An Act to protect all Persons in the United States in their Civil Rights, and furnish the Means of their Vindication.
"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States; and such citizens, of every race and color, without regard to any previous condition of slavery or involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall have the same right, in every State and Territory in the United States, to make and enforce contracts, to sue, be parties, and give evidence, to inherit, purchase, lease, sell, hold, and convey real and personal property, and to full and equal benefit of all laws and proceedings for the security of person and property, as is enjoyed by white citizens, and shall be subject to like punishment, pains, and penalties, and to none other, any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, to the contrary notwithstanding."
Barack Obama admits he was born a British Citizen on "paid for by Barack Obama" fightthesmears:
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children."
Article I defines the requirement for Congress/Senate as 7 or 9 years a US Citizen, respectively.
Article II defines the requirement for the Presidency as a natural born citizen AND 14 years a RESIDENT (not US Citizen).
Do you see the difference? Because though all natural born citizens as a subcategory of US Citizens, are "Citizens" ---- not all US Citizens are natural born citizens. This is why Article II does not say "14 years a US Citizen".
When asked to differentiate between a US Citizen and a Natural Born Citizen, the anti-constitutionalists ALWAYS fail.
The definition of natural born citizen is thus embedded in the constitution.
Since there are only two kinds of citizens, statutory and natural born citizens...
a natural born citizen is what a statutory citizen is not.
The only omitted permutation for a statutory US Citizen is a child born of 2 US Citizen parents on US soil.
Obama Failed To Appear In An Adminstrative Court Again Today. Instead Of Issuing A Default Ruling Against Obama For His Failure To Appear, The Motion For A Default Ruling Was Flatly Denied. In Addition To Their Letting Obama Off Scott Free, The Ballot Challenge Was Unanimously Denied. This Is Totally UNACCEPTABLE! We Need To Revolt Big Time!
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/02/indiana-election-commission-obamas-moms.html
@Anonymous
Do you have a link to a paper by Viera saying that NBC requires two citizens?
I have one from 2008 but it only talks about some one having to be born in the US.
@Anonymous
I think the question was about Constitutional scholars, LEo and Mario are not such. If have a JD is the only criteria there are dozens perhaps thousands of JDs who say that you don't need two citizen parents.
anony, name one single j.d. who has been on the record that you don't need two US citizen parents to be a natural born citizen.
the LAW (US Code 1401) says 1 US citizen parent born anywhere is just a statutory naturalized at birth US Citizen...so it's quite spelled out.
The Kansas Bill was stricken from the calendar by rule 1507. It is now officially dead.
http://www.kslegislature.org/li/events/house/
...
You know if you read the Civil Rights Act of 1866
it makes amply clear that someone who was born
"not subject to any foreign power" was a US Citizen.
Now Obama admits he was subject to a foreign power at birth.
It's totally crystal clear that if in 1866 a person of dual citizenship was not a US Citizen, by all means in 1776 the founders would not consider a person who was not even a Citizen to be a natural born citizen!!
And remember the Civil Rights Act of 1866 was passed twice, once before (1866) and 4 years after (1870) again, the 14th amendment (1868). There was no question as to its intent, and this is still law. But the point was WHAT DID THE FOUNDERS INTEND? And the intent is written into the Civil Rights Act of 1866, never deemed unconstitutional.
The Civil Rights Act of 1866 can hardly be pointed to as a clue to "the intent of the Founders." 1866 is 90 years later than the founding of our nation and 79 years after the framing of the Constitution.
An administrative hearing is not a civil or criminal trial. That's why they call it a HEARING.
No one is required to show up at a hearing, they have a choice to show or not to show. A default ruling just means that a ballot commission will decide the issue after only hearing from one side.
That's exactly what happened in Indiana. Please note that neither Senator Lugar nor Rick Santorum showed up either and their eligiblity to be on the Indiana ballot was also challenged yesterday.
The Civil Rights Act of 1866 is indeed the intent of the founders because it is still active on the books and never deemed unconstitutional.
Thus it is constitutional.
@Obama is only a Usurper
Your logic seems sound but in fact it is pseudo-logic because it is not based on the principle of natural law. It is instead based on no principle at all. To understand natural citizenship it is necessary to read some of the dozens of expositions that I've written on the subject. Why not start with this one: THE FOUNDATION of NATIONS/ Natural Rights & Unnatural Citizenship
http://h2ooflife.wordpress.com/the-foundation-of-nations/
Adrien Nash http://obama--nation.com
The problem with both the Civil Rights Act and the 14th Amendment is that the authors couldn't be bothered with making clear what subjection to foreign or American jurisdiction entails, so as a result of their brevity we are stuck with the asinine situation of everyone simply ignoring the requirement and focusing solely on "Born in the USA" instead, while the other half of the equation is lost. The result of that is that any baby born with US borders is erroneously assumed to be an American, and the worse part about that is that our own government is the lead fool in that parade.
Orly is an emotional royal joke. Another judge embarrasses her ass. That's what happens when you get your degree online.
"Commissioner: "You interrupt me again and your butt is GONE, do you understand me?"
Regarding the Missouri bill, did you notice how natural-born citizen is defined?
"“Natural born citizen” means having been declared a national and
citizen of the United States at birth or having been declared a
national and United States citizen under federal law as it
existed at the time of the nominee’s birth."
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