Obama Classmate Schools Geraldo Rivera About Obama's Indonesian Name Barry Soetoro - VIDEO HERE. (more below)
SHOCK CLAIM: Breitbart Reporter Charles Johnson Has Documented Proof Obama is Indonesian Citizen? - AUDIO HERE.
The question is IS this documented proof the same Indonesian school record we've already seen or is it something new?
WATCH SHERIFF JOE'S 2ND OBAMA INVESTIGATION PRESS CONFERENCE HERE: CLICK HERE.
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164 comments:
Hope Johnson gets home alive.
I hope Johnson takes pictures and makes copies of the evidence he has. And caries it straight to the proper place!
@BOYCOTT FoxNews untill they tell the truth
I hope Johnson takes pictures and makes copies of the evidence he has. And caries it straight to the proper place!
No doubt he's smart enough to make multiple copies and he send them home and to other places by various means of conveyance.
Interesting how Geraldo has added guest to rebut points made questioning Obama's educational background - Geraldo lost on this one even with secret added guest .. yep who cares about this grades but I do care that he was a citizen of Indonesia .. focus Obama born in HI and that makes everything OK .. except to have Mitt Romney release EVERYTHING
I wish these people like Johnson would stop telling what their doing before they get it done safely. It only gives Obama's goons a warning ahead of time to stop it .
Maybe Arpaio should send over a deputy for Johnson's security.
Geraldo is so misinformed that he didn't even know obama's name was Barry Soetoro. How can anybody that is doing a story on Obama not know this after 4+ years of Obama in the news?
You notice,right when WAR was going to make his point about BO being an Indonesian citizen, Jerry Rivers cuts him off? Then he brings in a liberal to bail him out and change the subject.
The libs are working double time on this to try to keep the lid on it until the election..
They are about ready to head for the hills, I feel..
MY
Geraldo is so misinformed that he didn't even know obama's name was Barry Soetoro. How can anybody that is doing a story on Obama not know this after 4+ years of Obama in the news?
Simple. He is "willingly ignorant"!
Lol, anyday now!!!
That was just funny. Please, someone show me a page number in his autobiography where he uses the name "Barry Soetoro." That's just laughable.
"You cannot attend Indonesian Schools without being an Indonesian citizen."
If that were true, it would be so much better. But of course, it isn't.
Lots of fail in that interview.
@Andyyou are not informed.His name was Barry Soetoro when he lived in US.Changed it to Barack Hussein Obama after he was supposely in college.Not legally as i understand it
Now, let me get this straight. There is absolutely no credible evidence the mystery-man in the WH went to Columbia. There is no credible evidence he was born in Hawaii. Yet, the "enemedia" led by Jerry Rivers,(earlier post and I am going to use it) put's the burden of proof on the bonafide American citizen. Of which the mystery-man has none. The fact is mystery-man could not even be convicted on the proof which has been submitted, of being a student at Columbia. But he could easily be convicted of felonious behavior and treason. What we need is a general "walkout" by our representatives in DC. Anyone, who is not in the tank with this administration, ought to walk. Pipe-dream.
@Andy
Here is the New Times article that lists the Obama's name at Columba>
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/recollections-of-obamas-ex-roommate/
You can scroll down and see the student directory listing for Obama.
@Andy
OBot Andy - If that were true, it would be so much better. But of course, it isn't.
Lots of fail in that interview.
You have got to be the DUmbest OBot in the history of dumb OBots.
Lets look at what has been reported many times in the last 4 years:
"WHAT ABOUT OBAMA’S
INDONESIAN CITIZENSHIP?
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"...Stanley Ann Dunham, married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia. Evidence points to the fact that Lolo Soetoro either signed a government form legally ‘acknowledging’ Soetoro/Obama as his son or ‘adopted’ Soetoro, either of which changed any citizenship status Soetoro/Obama had to a “natural” citizen of Indonesia.
At the time Barry Soetoro was in Indonesia, all Indonesian students were required to carry government identity cards or Karty Tanda Pendudaks, as well as family card identification called a Kartu Keluarga. The Kartu Keluarga is a family card which bears the legal names and citizenship status of all family members.
Soetoro/Obama was registered in a public school as an Indonesian citizen by the name of Barry Soetoro and his father was listed as Lolo Soetoro, M.A according to the Indonesian school records. Indonesia did not allow foreign students to attend their public schools in the late 1960’s or 1970’s, and any time a child was registered for a public school, the child’s name and citizenship status were verified through the Indonesian Government. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia (Undang-Undang Dasar Republik Indonesia 1945), Chapter 13, Law No. 62 of 1958 (all citizens of Indonesia have a right to education). There was no way for Soetoro/Obama to have attended school in Jakarta, Indonesia legally unless he was an Indonesian citizen, as Indonesia was under tight rule and was a Police State. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia (Undang-Undang Dasar Republik Indonesia 1945), Law No. 62 of 1958. These facts indicate that Obama/Soetoro is an Indonesian citizen, and therefore he is not eligible to be President of the United States.
Under Indonesian law, when a male acknowledges a child as his son, it deems the son, in this case Soetoro/Obama, an Indonesian State citizen. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 62 of 1958 concerning Immigration Affairs and Indonesian Civil Code (Kitab Undang-undang Hukum Perdata) (KUHPer) (Burgerlijk Wetboek voor Indonesie).
Furthermore, under the Indonesian adoption law, once an Indonesian citizen adopts a child, the adoption severs the child’s relationship to the birth parents, and the adopted child is given the same status as a natural child and the child takes the name of his step-father, in this case, Soetoro. See Indonesian Constitution, Article 2.
The Indonesian citizenship law was designed to prevent apatride (stateless) or bipatride (dual) citizenship. Indonesian regulations recognized neither apatride nor bipatride (stateless or dual) citizenship. Since Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship; neither did the United States (since the United States only permitted dual citizenship when ‘both’ countries agree); and since Obama/Soetoro was a “natural” citizen of Indonesia, the United States would not step in or interfere with the laws of Indonesia. Hague Convention of 1930.”
As a result of Soetoro/Obama’s Indonesian ‘natural’ citizenship status, Soetoro/Obama could never regain U.S. ‘natural born’ status, if he in fact he ever held such, which we doubt. Soetoro/Obama could have only become ‘naturalized’ if the proper paperwork were filed with the U.S. State Department, after going through U.S. Immigration upon his return to the United States; in which case, Soetoro/Obama would have received a Certification of Citizenship indicating ‘naturalized'
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http://obamacrimes.com/?p=1505
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Andy OBot lie number 10 billion +6 goes down in flames.
I want to know if Brietbart.com is actually going to relaease this story, or if they are going to continue to cover up for Obama like they have been doing.
I want you all to take note of the FACT that the people at FOX NEWS are doing their VERY BEST to discredit this man.
Now ask yourself...
Why?
@RS
How does any of that impact US law?
@RS
"Chapter 13, Law No. 62 of 1958 "
"Article 2.
(1)A foreign child of less than 5 years age who is adopted by a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, if such an adoption is declared legal by the Pengadilan Negeri at the residence of the person adopting the child.
(2)Said declaration of legality by the Pengadilan Negeri shall be requested by the person adopting the child within 1 year after such an adoption or within 1 year after enforcement of this law.
Was the adoption before or after August, 1966? Did Soetoro make such a declaration within one year of the adoption?
Fox News poll shows Obama with a big lead over Romney. Fox is turning into Obama's number one protective network and cheerleader.
After listening to the Hannity clip I am wondering if the Breitbart reporter just rediscovered the school records from Indonesia showing Obama's name as Barry Soetoro and his citizenship as Indonesian and religion as Muslim, which has been around since 2007 and thought he had made a new discovery?.
This one:
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2008/08/ap_photo_of_bar_1.php
@Anonymous
How does any of that impact US law?
So DUmB-OBOt, you must think Hussein Soetoro is a natural born US citizen. LoL..Hahaaa....
Actually, part of the answer, if not all, is in the post above and to the link to the source above. Read it.
Heck, we don't even know if the Head OBot was even born in the US, and if mommy Stanley had him overseas, she was NOT old enough to pass even plain old US citizenship in accordance with US Federal statute at the time Obama was born.
You thing the phrase
"all citizens of Indonesia have a right to education"
means that ONLY citizens have a right to education?
I certainly HOPE that is your argument because I will pay good money to see a judge laugh his @ss off when hears that!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
@RS
"Hague Convention of 1930"
CHAPTER V - ADOPTION
Article 17
If the law of a State recognises that its nationality may be lost as the result of adoption, this loss shall be conditional upon the acquisition by the person adopted of the nationality of the person by whom he is adopted, under the law of the State of which the latter is a national relating to the effect of adoption upon nationality. - CONVENTION ON CERTAIN QUESTIONS RELATING TO
THE CONFLICT OF NATIONALITY LAWS
THE HAGUE - 12 APRIL 1930
Under United States McCarran-Walter Act of 1952, a citizen at birth does not lose his citizenship through adoption by a foreign parent.
In fact, Obama could only lose it by naturalization as an Indonesian citizen if the naturalization occurred before he was 21 years old or if a minor "unless such person shall fail to enter the United States to establish a permanent residnce prior to his twenty-fifth birthday".
So it doesn't look as though he could have lost his US citzenship no matter what happened in Indonesian.
@Anonymous
I certainly HOPE that is your argument because I will pay good money to see a judge laugh his @ss off when hears that!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
LoL idiot OBot. Way to nitpick an inconsequential Berg quote. Obviously, he's talking about Indonesian law and that Hussein Soetoro had to be an Indonesian citizen to be legally educated in Indonesia.
@John Doe Sr.
That one says he was born in Honolulu, 8/04/61.
@John Doe Sr.
Fox News poll shows Obama with a big lead over Romney. Fox is turning into Obama's number one protective network and cheerleader.
Fox has employed these liberal pollsters who have a history of inaccurate polls. Case in point. On election day 2004, these guys had Ms. Kerry ahead of Bush by 5%. We all know how that turned out.
Rasmussen However, who has been the most accurate public pollster since 2002, and as of today, Rasmussen has Romney ahead @ 47% of the Kenyan Obama with 43%.
@Anonymous
Was the adoption before or after August, 1966? Did Soetoro make such a declaration within one year of the adoption?
Patients OBots. We are just going to have to wait until the Breitbart reporter gets back to show us what he has on Barry Hussein Soetoro Barack the usurper.
@RS
"Indonesia did not allow foreign students to attend their public schools ... (all citizens of Indonesia have a right to education)."
==================================
The 1945 Constitution of the Republic of Indonesia
Chapter XA
Human Rights
"Article 28C
(1) Every person shall have the right to develop him/herself through the fulfilment of his/her basic needs, the right to get education and to benefit from science and technology, arts and culture, for the purpose of improving the quality of his/her
life and for the welfare of the human race."
"Article 28E
(1) Every person shall be free to choose and to practice the religion of his/her choice, to choose one's education, to choose one's employment, to choose one's
citizenship, and to choose one's place of residence within the state territory, to leave it and to subsequently return to it."
Article 31
(1) Every citizen has the right to receive education.
(2) Every citizen has the obligation to undertake basic education, and the government has the obligation to fund this.
(3) The government shall manage and organise one system of national
education, which shall increase the level of spiritual belief, devoutness and moral character in the context of developing the life of the nation and shall be regulatedby law.
(4) The state shall prioritise the budget for education to a minimum of 20% of the State Budget and of the Regional Budgets to fulfil the needs of implementation of national education.
(5) The government shall advance science and technology with the highest respect for religious values and national unity for the advancement of civilisation and prosperity of humankind."
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Nothing about having to be a citizen???
Anonymous @ 6:24 PM,
Yep, that one.
If the rest of it is going to be ignored by the Obots, and it has for over 4 years, then I'll ignore the "born in Hawaii" part, especially since being born in Hawaii should eliminate the need for posting a proven forged BC on the White House website.......but they did it anyway. That would not seem to be a real smart thing for the Obama handlers to do just to prove they could make a lousy fake birth certificate.
@Anonymous
"you are not informed.His name was Barry Soetoro when he lived in US.Changed it to Barack Hussein Obama after he was supposely in college.Not legally as i understand it"
Do you have any proof of that? Anything at all?
@wilmon44
Now, let me get this straight. There is absolutely no credible evidence the mystery-man in the WH went to Columbia.
Except, even Breitbart has a document proving it:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/18/The-Vetting-Exclusive-First-Obama-Columbia-Record-Released
@Anonymous
Here is the New Times article that lists the Obama's name at Columba
And notice every listing on the page is for "Barack" or "Barry Obama," not "Barry Soetoro."
Weird.
@Anonymous
LoL OBot. You cite the Indonesian Constitution as it was in 1945.
Well Berg cites the Indonesian Constitutional and law from 1958. See this - "...Chapter 13, Law No. 62 of 1958" below:
"Indonesia did not allow foreign students to attend their public schools in the late 1960’s or 1970’s, and any time a child was registered for a public school, the child’s name and citizenship status were verified through the Indonesian Government. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia (Undang-Undang Dasar Republik Indonesia 1945), Chapter 13, Law No. 62 of 1958 ...."
Many countries around the world made numerous changes to their Constitutions like people who change their socks every week.
@RS
Good job cutting a pasting. But none of that is actually true.
Now, let's take a look at reality:
ndonesia did not allow foreign students to attend their public schools in the late 1960’s or 1970’s, and any time a child was registered for a public school, the child’s name and citizenship status were verified through the Indonesian Government. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia (Undang-Undang Dasar Republik Indonesia 1945), Chapter 13
Every citizen has the right to receive education.
It makes no mention of NOT allowing students to go to school. The Kansas State Constitution promises the same thing, but just like Indonesia's Constitution, aliens attend school here.
Under Indonesian law, when a male acknowledges a child as his son, it deems the son, in this case Soetoro/Obama, an Indonesian State citizen.
Um, not it doesn't. Actually, the child has to be adopted legally. It says this:
Article 2.
(1)A foreign child of less than 5 years age who is adopted by a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, if such an adoption is declared legal by the Pengadilan Negeri at the residence of the person adopting the child.
(2)Said declaration of legality by the Pengadilan Negeri shall be requested by the person adopting the child within 1 year after such an adoption or within 1 year after enforcement of this law.
Since we have no documents stating he was adopted, your citizenship theory is lost.
Furthermore, under the Indonesian adoption law, once an Indonesian citizen adopts a child, the adoption severs the child’s relationship to the birth parents, and the adopted child is given the same status as a natural child and the child takes the name of his step-father, in this case, Soetoro. See Indonesian Constitution, Article 2.
Article two is about the People's Consultative Assembly, not about citizenship.
The Indonesian citizenship law was designed to prevent apatride (stateless) or bipatride (dual) citizenship. Indonesian regulations recognized neither apatride nor bipatride (stateless or dual) citizenship.
Of course, Indonesian law can't sever ties with American Law. If they could, crazy things could happen. Imagine what would happen if suddenly Indonesia passed a law making everyone in the United States an Indonesian citizen. Suddenly, according to your theory, no one could be president.
Since Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship; neither did the United States (since the United States only permitted dual citizenship when ‘both’ countries agree); and since Obama/Soetoro was a “natural” citizen of Indonesia, the United States would not step in or interfere with the laws of Indonesia. Hague Convention of 1930.”
Actually, the Hague Convention says this:
If the law of a State recognises that its nationality may be lost as the result of
adoption, this loss shall be conditional upon the acquisition by the person adopted of
the nationality of the person by whom he is adopted, under the law of the State of
which the latter is a national relating to the effect of adoption upon nationality.
Nothing in US law recognizes that citizenship can by lost for a child by actions of a parent.
You really should try harder to actually read what you're citing, instead of blindly copying and pasting.
Now, can you name a SINGLE lie I've told. Not just say I've lied, but actually name a lie? I thought not.
@RS
"We are just going to have to wait until the Breitbart reporter gets back to show us what he has on Barry Hussein Soetoro Barack the usurper."
So sre you saying that at this time there is no evidence that Obama was adopted?
Has anybody other than Root mentioned this reporter?
Are you hoping his evidence is better then then the stuff about the Hague Convention and Indonesian laws. Because that stuff wasn't very convincing, 'every citizen has a right to go to school' means 'only citizens can go to school', that's got to be the lamest interpetation possible.
@RS
LoL OBot. You cite the Indonesian Constitution as it was in 1945.
That's because that constitution was restored in 1959.
You can't cite a 1958 version, as there wasn't one.
The law he's referring to is a different law, not officially part of the Constitution.
It's funny how often you mock people while being wrong.
@Anonymous
In fact, Obama could only lose it by naturalization as an Indonesian citizen if the naturalization occurred before he was 21 years old or if a minor "unless such person shall fail to enter the United States to establish a permanent residnce prior to his twenty-fifth birthday".
We don't even know if Obama was even a US citizen at birth since his Hawaiian birf certificate is a complete forgery. And Obama certainly was never was a natural born US citizen
And Berg continues,
" “Renewing an Indonesian Passport after the age of 18 is an affirmative act, as you are swearing allegiance to another Country. Soetoro/Obama renewed his Indonesian Passport when he traveled to Pakistan that is why he had to stop in Indonesia first. Remember, in 1981, Dunham was divorcing Soetoro in Hawaii and was not in Indonesia. "
So did Barry Hussein Soetoro show allegiance to Indonesia if he traveled with an Indonesian passport? And did Obama attend Columbia U. as an Indonesian citizen?
And according to Berg OBot.
"Berg said, “Despite the above however, Indonesia required Obama/Soetoro to do a bit more upon his 18th birthday. In fact the Indonesian law gives until the age of Twenty-One [21]. Soetoro/Obama would have had to sign an Affidavit relinquishing his Indonesian citizenship and said Affidavit had to be sent to the Indonesian Government before reclaiming any U.S. citizenship he may have once held."
Well, did Soetoro OButt take these positive steps to give up his Indonesian citizenship? Highly doubtful.
As I recall, OBots, Obama spent 6 months living in Indonesia back in the early 90s as a place to write his very first fictional bio "Dreams from My Father." Now, was Obama living in Indonesia as citizen in the early 90s? I'd say that is likely that was the case. Going to check on this out right now.
@John Doe Sr.
"After listening to the Hannity clip I am wondering if the Breitbart reporter just rediscovered the school records from Indonesia showing Obama's name as Barry Soetoro and his citizenship as Indonesian and religion as Muslim, which has been around since 2007 and thought he had made a new discovery?."
Something like that, I'm sure. Breitbart.com is just one among a group that toys with "birthers." This birther, however, got tired of being jerked around by the disinformation agents some time ago. I'm not anticipating anything new or remarkable from Breitbart.com's Charles Johnson.
Seeing is believing. I'll get all excited and do the happy dance after I see something presented by any one or all of them that hasn't already been presented and reported on by one of the many hard-working amateur sleuths and citizen journalists.
Yawn...
@Andy
That's because that constitution was restored in 1959.
Hello DUmmy OBot.
He wrote this as the title "The 1945 Constitution of the Republic of Indonesia"
You can't cite a 1958 version, as there wasn't one.
Hello DUmmy again. Don't act like it did not exist DUmmies.
Berg cites a 1958 Indonesian law and says it was the law that would have govern Obama when he went to school in Indonesia.
DUmmies - here it is the law again.
"Indonesia did not allow foreign students to attend their public schools in the late 1960’s or 1970’s, and any time a child was registered for a public school, the child’s name and citizenship status were verified through the Indonesian Government. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia (Undang-Undang Dasar Republik Indonesia 1945), Chapter 13, Law No. 62 of 1958 ...."
Now, can you name a SINGLE lie I've told. Not just say I've lied, but actually name a lie? I thought not.
You're lying again about not lying so that makes it Andy OBot lie number 10 billion +7 or +8 or +9... LoL.
@Andy
Every citizen has the right to receive education.
It makes no mention of NOT allowing students to go to school.
Obviously DU'er, "citizen" means Indonesian citizens
The Kansas State Constitution promises the same thing, but just like Indonesia's Constitution, aliens attend school here.
LoL. Toto, Kansas is not Indonesia of the 50s, 60s, 70s, or will Kansas state ever will be the same as Indonesia.
It's funny how often you mock people while being wrong.
Because you're always wrong. Call Guinness World Records.
In the mid 60s, around when Obama was in Indonesia, the country was in turmoil from Commie forces who wanted to overturn the Sukarno government. It's no wonder that they enforced tight citizenship type laws at the time.
@RS
"Berg cites the Indonesian Constitutional and law from 1958."
Ok, so you got the 1945 Constitution that says nothing about having to be an Indonesian citizen to go to public school and you got the 1958 law which doesn't say anything about having to be an Indonesian Citizen to go to public school.
Good work all around.
@RS
"LoL OBot. You cite the Indonesian Constitution as it was in 1945.
Well Berg cites the Indonesian Constitutional and law from 1958. See this - "...Chapter 13, Law No. 62 of 1958" below:"
So you'll agree that the 1945 is the correct Constitution, even though you just told someone that they were wrong, even though they weren't? God you're thick.
Let's look at Article 13 of that law (there are no chapters), shall we, just for clarities sake:
"(1)Children who have not reached the age of 18 and are not married yet, who have a legal family relationship with their father before said father has acquired the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, also acquire the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, after they reside and are in Indonesia. The statement as to their residence and being in Indonesia is not valid for children who because their father acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia becomes stateless.
(2)The citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia acquired by a mother also applies to her children who have no legal family relationship with the father, who have not reached the age of 18 and are not married yet after they have resided and are in Indonesia. If said citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia is acquired with the naturalization by a mother who has become a widow because of the decease of her husband, the children who have a legal family relationship with said husband, who have not reached the age of 18 and are not married yet also acquire the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia after they reside and are in Indonesia. Statements as to their residence and being in Indonesia are not valid for children who because their mother has acquired the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia become stateless."
So, still doesn't support a single claim that "Indonesia did not allow foreign students to attend their public schools in the late 1960’s or 1970’s, and any time a child was registered for a public school, the child’s name and citizenship status were verified through the Indonesian Government."
Now you're not too stupid or dishonest to admit you were wrong, are you?
@RS
"since his Hawaiian birf certificate is a complete forgery. And Obama certainly was never was a natural born US citizen"
You make this as a statement of fact, yet no court agrees with you. Still whining?
"As I recall, OBots, Obama spent 6 months living in Indonesia back in the early 90s as a place to write his very first fictional bio "Dreams from My Father." Now, was Obama living in Indonesia as citizen in the early 90s? I'd say that is likely that was the case. Going to check on this out right now."
Is this another lie? Do you have a shred of evidence to back up anything you claim? At all? Geez you're bad at this game.
@RS
"Obviously DU'er, "citizen" means Indonesian citizens"
So, you're saying that because citizens are guaranteed a right, it has to be prohibited to non-citizens?
Like the right to a jury trial in the US? Oh...nope.
Or the right to freedom of speech in the US? Oh, still not true.
So how do you make this argument? Oh, you don't. It's an unsubstantiated claim.
You, like Mr. Berg, aren't very bright.
This is what I don't get RS. We've shown you that Education is guaranteed in Indonesia. We've shown you that neither the law cited nor the Constitution of Indonesia prohibit aliens from attending school, yet you still cling to the belief.
Do you have any evidence to back up that belief? And please don't cite some random blog or another unfounded claim. Do you have any EVIDENCE?
@Andy
Since we have no documents stating he was adopted, your citizenship theory is lost.
Would this not be the same as Obama’s place of birth?
How do we know Obama was born in the USA? There is no documents.
This is the problem Obama does not have any documents of his life.
@Andy
So you'll agree that the 1945 is the correct Constitution, even though you just told someone that they were wrong, even though they weren't? God you're thick.
Let's look at Article 13 of that law (there are no chapters), shall we, just for clarities sake:
Uum OBot, you seem to be stuck as usual. And stuck on what's not correct.
Who said anything about Article 13? Forget the Indonesian Constitution. What was the law, the statute, or the regulation that governed Obama to go to school legally in Indonesia?
Yes, this Indonesian one "Chapter 13, Law No. 62 of 1958"
According to Phil Berg, and he did cite this Indonesian law this year in PA court.
In this case -
Phil J. Berg v. Barack Obama/Soetoro aka... case No. 186MD2012, In the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
On page 6 seen here for quick viewing:
Page 6 - Chapter 13, Law No.62 of 1958.
I doubt Berg lied about the Indonesian law. It must exist that you can't get your thick skull and pea brain around.
The whole court filing can be seen here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/82987884/2012-02-23-PA-BERG-v-Obama-Primary-Ballot-Challenge-186-MD-2012
Now you're not too stupid or dishonest to admit you were wrong, are you?
I'm hardly stupid or wrong. You on the other hand. ...
@RS
Is this what you mean?
Law No. 62 of 1958, Law on the Citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/docid/3ae6b4ec8.html
Nothing it about only Indonesian citizens can go to public schools.
I think Berg was trying to use this to show Obama became a citizen by adoption and he was trying to use the 1945 Constitution (every Indonesain citizen has a right to an education) as proof that only Indonesian students could go to school.
@RS
So you'll agree that the 1945 is the correct Constitution, even though you just told someone that they were wrong, even though they weren't? God you're thick.
Let's look at Article 13 of that law (there are no chapters), shall we, just for clarities sake:
Uum OBot, you seem to be stuck as usual. And stuck on what's not correct."
I think the words you were looking for, RS, were "stuck on stupid."
"Uum OBot, you seem to be stuck as usual...stuck on stupid."
There. Fixed it for ya'.
We will not know the strength of the evidence that this reporter has uncovered until it is revealed. The verification that he may have uncovered is that he traveled with an Indonesian passport as an adult which would be uncontrovertible evidence of his ineligibity.
Game, set, and match?
Of course, there is the matter of presenting the evidence to an authority with the power and the courage to take the proper action.
His lack of constitutional eligibilty is already well documented by his 3 forged BCs, Forged Selective Service Registration, Fake SS#, etc. No authority has taken up the issue and enforced the law as of yet. Why would they now? Only the mentally challenged or the uninformed believe that he has the right to POTUS, yet nothing has been done. There is something else at play. This guy could hold a press conference in the AM, presenting a Kenyan BC and still no action would be taken to remove him from office.
@Andy
Is this another lie? Do you have a shred of evidence to back up anything you claim? At all? Geez you're bad at this game.
Yoohoo OBot DUmmy.
Do I have a shred of evidence...I do now and none other than from the New York Slimes. My recollection is correct.
A verbatim snippet.
"By the time Mr. Obama landed at Times Books, he had a partial manuscript. He required minimal editing, said Henry Ferris, his editor, who is now a vice president and executive editor at William Morrow. He simply needed guidance in paring and shaping the sections already written and keeping the rest from becoming too long. The writing, Mr. Ferris said, “is very much his own.”
The two worked mostly by telephone and by manuscripts sent by Federal Express between New York and Chicago. Mr. Obama, an inveterate journal writer who had published poems in a college literary magazine but had never attempted a book, struggled to finish. His half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, said he eventually retreated to Bali for several months with his wife, Michelle, “to find a peaceful sanctuary where there were no phones.” He showed drafts to a few close relatives including his grandmother, of whom Ms. Soetoro-Ng said, “It probably made her a little nervous, having the family written about, just because you don’t do that in Kansas.”
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/18/us/politics/18memoirs.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
So where is Bali OBot? You guessed it - it is in Indonesia.
According to his sis Maya, Obama spent several months in Bali.
So the original question is what passport did Obama travel to Indonesia with where he spent several months in the 90s to write his book [likely really written by Marxist Obama boy friend Bill Ayers LoL].
And this OBot from the American Thinker:
"...As Matthew Franck has pointed out in National Review Online, "A search of the HeinOnline database of law journals turns up exactly nothing credited to Obama in any law review anywhere at any time."
A 1990 New York Times profile on Obama's election as Harvard's first black president caught the eye of agent Jane Dystel. She persuaded Poseidon, a small imprint of Simon & Schuster, to authorize a roughly $125,000 advance for Obama's proposed memoir.
With advance in hand, Obama repaired to Chicago where he dithered. At one point, in order to finish without interruption, he and wife Michelle decamped to Bali. Obama was supposed to have finished the book within a year. Bali or not, advance or no, he could not. He was surely in way over his head.
According to a surprisingly harsh 2006 article by liberal publisher Peter Osnos, which detailed the "ruthlessness" of Obama's literary ascent, Simon & Schuster canceled the contract. Dystel did not give up. She solicited Times Book, the division of Random House at which Osnos was publisher. He met with Obama, took his word that he could finish the book, and authorized a new advance of $40,000. "
-end snip-
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/who_wrote_dreams_from_my_fathe_1.html
And as the story goes, in comes Commie boy Bill Ayers to ghost write his book. LoL.
Since we have established this fact, we can all wonder when Obama lived several months in Bali, Indonesia in the early 90s as an Indonesian citizen only to get writer's block! LoL.
the one who is a uh uh uh "non-starter" is Jerry Rivers, who has two names as well. It is doubtful if he is really Puerto Rican, but most likely got into college as a minority due to affirmative action. that is how he got his job at ABC.
he's a dummy.
Did you all see this yet?.....
FINALLY!!!
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/08/09/steve-king-wants-to-invalidate-all-obama-done
Steve King: Repeal Every Bill Obama Has Signed
@Andy Yes it was true at the time,the law only permits indonesian citizen and the indigenious people. In order to get any form of education one should be naturalized and given up any other nationality per indonseian constitution, also change names that sounded similar or more indonesian friendly, just like Barack to Barry.
Barry Soetoro, the Invisible Man
"...Yet, instead of demanding accountability on Soetoro/Obama’s Columbia records and all of the sealed records behind the man himself to determine allegiance, the best that conservatives in power, behind the microphone or behind the TV cameras have done is to turn what should be a national security issue into a Republican presidential strategy. Those who watched the Sean Hannity program last evening had front row seats into how the assertion by Wayne Allyn Root was molded into a political game of “I’ll show you mine if you show me yours.” Have we, as a people, reached the glass ceiling of our collective intellectual prowess and concern for the future of our nation by reducing a vital national security issue into a mere election strategy?"
http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/6547
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/48691
@RS
No doubt he's smart enough to make multiple copies and he send them home and to other places by various means of conveyance.
He should roll all the docs into a long thin tube and cornhole it.
You know, to smuggle it thru customs...
The homo in the WH could put an immediate end to all this if he were an honorable human being worthy of being there in the WH. But, the fact is obvious that he is NOT an honorable human being worthy of being anywhere but locked up due to the fact that he is the single most dangerous person in America today. PERIOD! And if you disagree you're a racist! haha
@Fathertime
Hawaii has provided a birth certificate that it says is genuine. YOU can doubt it all you want, but the law can't.
@RS
I'm not the one stuck on stupid. Pull a single quote from either the Constitution of Indonesia or Law No. 62 of 1958 that says only Indonesian Citizens can attend public schools.
Mr. Berg sure didn't. I've pulled out quotes from both. Are you too stupid to read?
You keep claiming I'm a liar, but you can't back up your statement. That makes you dishonest. That makes you a crook. That makes you a liar.
Either put up, or shut up you treasonous troll.
@AuntieMadder
I'm stupid? And yet your siding with RS, who can't even read his own sources? Wow.
Why don't one of you prove me wrong, and then we'll discuss stupid.
@RS
Good Job, Rs! You finally used source to back up a claim. Now if only that claim actually meant something about his citizenship or his eligibility.
@RS
"My recollection is correct."
Not really from your earlier post,
"As I recall, OBots, Obama spent 6 months living in Indonesia back in the early 90s"
Not 6 months only 2 months. I once spent 3 months living in an apartment in England, living like an Englishman. On a US passport.
Since you cannot provide any evidence that he was adopted, that the laws of Indonesia required him to become a citizen to go to public school and since Indonesian law prohibits dual citizenship and US law prohibits a minor child giving up his citizenship, Obama could not have been an Indonesian citizen.
The way to find out whether or not Obama was ever an Indonesian Citizen is simply to call up the Indonesian Embassy in Washington, ask for the press officer, and ASK. He was never an Indonesian citizen.
@Anonymous
I think Berg was trying to use this to show Obama became a citizen by adoption and he was trying to use the 1945 Constitution (every Indonesian citizen has a right to an education) as proof that only Indonesian students could go to school.
Thanks for the link.
This is what Phil Berg said in his lawsuit filed with the Pennsylvania court on page 6:
- - - -
"was registered for a public school, their name and citizenship status was verified through the Indonesian Government. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia (Undang-Undang Dasar Republik Indonesia 1945), Chapter 13, Law No. 62 of 1958 (all citizens of Indonesia have a right to education. The school record, attached hereto as Exhibit "A", indicates that Obama' name is Barry Soetoro," his nationality is/was "Indonesia".
There was no way for Soetoro to have attended school in Jakarta, Indonesia legally unless he was an Indonesian citizen, as Indonesia was under tight rule and was a Police State. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia (Undang-Undang Dasar Republik Indonesia 1945), Law No. 62 of 1958. At the time Obama was in Indonesia, all Indonesian students were required to carry government identity cards or Karty Tanda Pendudaks, as well as family card identification called a Kartu Keluarga. The Kartu Kehluarga is a family card which bears the legal names and citizenship status of all the family members. See Asian Law Digests INDONESIA LAW DIGEST 9.02.
15.Since Indonesia did not allow duel citizenship; neither did the United States (since the United States only permitted duel citizenship when 'both' countries agree); and since Soetoro was a "natural" citizen of Indonesia, the United States would not step in or interfere with the laws of Indonesia. See Hague Convention 1930.
16. As a result of Obama's Indonesian "natural" citizenship status, Obama could never regain U.S. "natural born" status, if he in fact he ever held such, which Objector doubts.
17. Obama could have only became "naturalized" if the proper paperwork were file with the U.S. State Department, by going through U.S. Immigration after his return Objections to the Nomination of Obama for the Office of the Presidency to the United States; in which case, Obama would have a Certification of Citizenship indicating he was "naturalized".
-end snip-
@Andy
You keep claiming I'm a liar, but you can't back up your statement. That makes you dishonest. That makes you a crook. That makes you a liar.
You are a little OBot and liar - being redundant here.
Either put up, or shut up you treasonous troll
LoL Treasonous? Yeah sure and this coming from a little red diaper doper baby and an Obama Communist. BTW, you're the stupid little troll here being the lying Marxist.
@RS
Here's your challenge. We've shown you that the sources mentioned don't support Berg's claims. Your turn. Please provide text from the original sources which actually support the claims listed below.
1. There was no way for Soetoro to have attended school in Jakarta, Indonesia legally unless he was an Indonesian citizen, as Indonesia was under tight rule and was a Police State.
2. Since Indonesia did not allow duel citizenship; neither did the United States (since the United States only permitted duel citizenship when 'both' countries agree)
3. As a result of Obama's Indonesian "natural" citizenship status, Obama could never regain U.S. "natural born" status, if he in fact he ever held such
You've still not shown me to have lied, though you have put out claims without anything to back you up. Now it's time for you to do so.
Put up, or shut up. Very simple task. Don't just cite what someone told you, put out the text that supports you. We've done it. You haven't.
@Anonymous
Not 6 months only 2 months. I once spent 3 months living in an apartment in England, living like an Englishman. On a US passport.
Of course you did, but that still doesn't answer what passport Obama traveled under when he lived in Bali, Indonesia whether it was 6 months or 2.
Since you cannot provide any evidence that he was adopted, that the laws of Indonesia required him to become a citizen to go to public school and since Indonesian law prohibits dual citizenship and US law prohibits a minor child giving up his citizenship, Obama could not have been an Indonesian citizen.
The whole point of this thread OBot is that the Breitbart reporter has the evidence or proof that Obama was a citizen of Indonesia. You're just going to have to wait like the rest of us until he reports it when he gets back.
since Indonesian law prohibits dual citizenship and US law prohibits a minor child giving up his citizenship, Obama could not have been an Indonesian citizen.
That's not totally correct according to the lawsuit that was filed in PA only a few months ago and as I have posted above and I'll repost .part of it here:
"...15.Since Indonesia did not allow duel citizenship; neither did the United States (since the United States only permitted duel citizenship when 'both' countries agree); and since Soetoro was a "natural" citizen of Indonesia, the United States would not step in or interfere with the laws of Indonesia. See Hague Convention 1930.
16. As a result of Obama's Indonesian "natural" citizenship status, Obama could never regain U.S. "natural born" status, if he in fact he ever held such, which Objector doubts.
17. Obama could have only became "naturalized" if the proper paperwork were file with the U.S. State Department, by going through U.S. Immigration after his return Objections to the Nomination of Obama for the Office of the Presidency to the United States; in which case, Obama would have a Certification of Citizenship indicating he was "naturalized". "
Quote:
"The way to find out whether or not Obama was ever an Indonesian Citizen is simply to call up the Indonesian Embassy in Washington, ask for the press officer, and ASK. He was never an Indonesian citizen."
That's pretty funny stuff. Why investigate anything, ever? Just ask.......LOL
Everything is A-OK with Barry.....we know that for a fact because, by golly....we asked!
@Red Right Hand
He should roll all the docs into a long thin tube and cornhole it.
You know, to smuggle it thru customs...
Heck maybe Johnson should call OBot/Clintoniod Sandy Berger, aka the Sand Burglar, for tips on how to steal or smuggle documents. The man has got experience. LoL.
@RS
"according to the lawsuit"
So because someone wrote it in a lawsuit it must be true. LOL
Why doesn't Berg actually cite the passages from the Indonesian and US laws?
Here is the 1952 Immigration Act that governed President Obama at the time of his birth.
http://library.uwb.edu/guides/usimmigration/66%20stat%20163.pdf
Page 105 of the PDF starts the section on loss of US citizenship. We know that his mother never gave up her US citizenship. So there does not appear to be a way for President Obama to have lost his, even if adopted by Soetoro.
And if Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship he could not obtain Indonesian citizenship.
@Andy
Put up, or shut up. Very simple task. Don't just cite what someone told you, put out the text that supports you.
Hey idiot, Berg is the one that filed it in court of law. It's too bad that you don't like it because you're a stupid OBot.
I'm waiting for you to put up the proof that Obama is not or every was an Indonesian citizen. So where is that OBot? Where's your PROOF? You don't have the proof that Obama was never or is still not an Indonesian citizen.
What you do is run around like a hen without a head from thread to thread stating nope, nice try, try again because you're wrong!
So OBot, is that proof that everyone else who is not an OBOt is wrong? Here's a hint you little OBot twit, you don't have any proof to back up your OBot drivel.
@Andy
Here's your challenge. We've shown you that the sources mentioned don't support Berg's claims.
No OBot, actually, you haven't come close to challenging Berg's lawsuit claims on the merits.
You haven't or has other DUmb OBots even addressed the issue of citizenship registration cards for Indonesian school children (Karty Tanda Pendudaks) or the citizenship cards for Indonesian families (Kartu Keluarga) that was required in the 60s and 70s. As Phil Berg's lawsuit cited this as a SOURCE - "See Asian Law Digests INDONESIA LAW DIGEST 9.02."
Re: "1. There was no way for Soetoro to have attended school in Jakarta, Indonesia legally unless he was an Indonesian citizen, as Indonesia was under tight rule and was a Police State."
But you seem to think that it was an EFFICIENT Police State. What gave you that idea? Even if there were such a law, and the Indonesian Embassy will tell you that there wasn't, the fact that Indonesia was so massively corrupt shows the obvious way that people got around that alleged law, and lots of other laws too.
How? Why the obvious way was to simply lie about Obama's citizenship, and pay off all the officials that were involved. So, if there were such a law, the fact that Indonesian was a police state does not mean that the law was enforced.
Re: "You haven't or has other DUmb OBots even addressed the issue of citizenship registration cards...."
Once again you are assuming that Indonesia was efficient in enforcing its laws. In corrupt societies you can get the ID cards you need with bribery, or if not, then you pay off the officials each time that they ask for an ID.
The simple way to find out whether or not Obama was ever a citizen of Indonesia is to call the Indonesian Embassy in Washington. They will tell you that he wasn't.
@Anonymous
So because someone wrote it in a lawsuit it must be true. LOL
So OBot where is your Poooof that Berg's not correct?
Why doesn't Berg actually cite the passages from the Indonesian and US laws?
Still awaiting for OBots to have the pooooof that OBama/Soetoro is not or ever has been an Indonesian citizen.
Page 105 of the PDF starts the section on loss of US citizenship. We know that his mother never gave up her US citizenship. So there does not appear to be a way for President Obama to have lost his, even if adopted by Soetoro.
OBot, we don't even know if OBama was born in the United States. His Birf forgery is Not pooooof.
Second, If Obama was born overseas, his mother was not old enough to pass her US citizenship as a minor mother to Obama, and that is likely cited in that 1952 statute that you have posted about, 1952 Immigration Act.
@smrstrauss
Well well, look who showed up. You're that prodigious OBOt poster working out of Lib Massachusetts who runs all around the Internet spreading OBot propaganda. Right? LoL.
But you seem to think that it was an EFFICIENT Police State. What gave you that idea? Even if there were such a law, and the Indonesian Embassy will tell you that there wasn't,
What gives you the idea that Obama 100% never was an Indonesian citizen? Our side has evidence. Your side hasn't even come close to countering any of it. And a Breitbart reporter in Indonesia claims(according to Root) to have the real proof that Obama is/was an Indonesian citizen. Your side, again, plays diversion and has squat.
The simple way to find out whether or not Obama was ever a citizen of Indonesia is to call the Indonesian Embassy in Washington. They will tell you that he wasn't.
What makes you think the Gooooberment of Indonesia will tell you truth and interfere in US internal affairs? Remember, they were or are still corrupt as you said.
Here's a small hint OBot, the Canadian government has classified OBama's bio as a state secret.
Yeah OBot, even Canada won't tell you the truth about Obama.
@RS
I see. So you admit you have nothing. I give you a challenge, and you won't answer it. You either can't, or you're a coward.
Got it.
@RS
You keep asking me to prove a negative. That's not how it works. YOU made a claim. YOU back it up, or you're a liar. That's how it works.
So are you able to prove it, and wont? That makes you a coward.
Or are you not able to prove it? That makes you a liar.
Which is it, RS?
Re: "What gives you the idea that Obama 100% never was an Indonesian citizen? Our side has evidence. Your side hasn't even come close to countering any of it. And a Breitbart reporter in Indonesia claims(according to Root) to have the real proof that Obama is/was an Indonesian citizen. Your side, again, plays diversion and has squat."
The simple fact is that I called the Indonesian Embassy and ASKED and they told me that he was never an Indonesian Citizen, and if you do not believe me, you can call them too. The statement of a government official that someone is not a citizen of that country is a fact.
smrstrauss said:
QUOTE: "The simple way to find out whether or not Obama was ever a citizen of Indonesia is to call the Indonesian Embassy in Washington. They will tell you that he wasn't."
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You're extremely naive if you think the Indonesian Embassy would ever tell you the truth. There was probably billions in aid sent to Indonesia to hide the truth. While your assumption is correct that money probably changes hands to look the other way, you're forming your opinion based on those assumptions and not on facts. The LAW in Indonesia is that you must be a citizen of Indonesia in order to go to school there. So in the words of Harry Reid, "prove me wrong".
Re: "What makes you think the Gooooberment of Indonesia will tell you truth and interfere in US internal affairs? Remember, they were or are still corrupt as you said. "
They were, but they probably no longer are.
Still, if a rational person (not necessarily you) had to chose between which was the fact, a statement from the government of the country, and the speculations of people who do not like Obama, a rational person would pick the statement of the government.
And, of course, there has never been anything in an Indonesian paper saying that he was an Indonesian citizen, only that he lived there for a while.
Re: "And a Breitbart reporter in Indonesia claims(according to Root) to have the real proof that Obama is/was an Indonesian citizen."
Answer: Obviously if a Britbart reporter really had that news, she or he would publish it, and it has not been published. Let us wait a month or so, and if it has not been published, let us come back to this claim and evaluate it. IF it has not been published in a month or six weeks, you would have to admit that the guy who was claiming that the reporter said it, made it all up.
Re: "Here's a small hint OBot, the Canadian government has classified OBama's bio as a state secret. "
Answer: And your reliable source for that was? (Yes, it has appeared on some birther sites, but there is no independent confirmation.)
"Here's a small hint OBot, the Canadian government has classified OBama's bio as a state secret."
@RS
I've never heard this before, do you have a source I can look at?
Thank you, RS
So are you able to prove it, and wont? That makes you a coward.
You wish OBot idiot.
Or are you not able to prove it? That makes you a liar.
We have evidence. You got squat. We only get stupid red herrings and denials from OBots.
@RS
I've quoted you exactly what you (and Berg) say, then pointed out that the citations you provide don't support you.
So you're just going to keep asserting you're right even though the world can see you're wrong?
Okay by me.
@Anonymous
I've never heard this before, do you have a source I can look at? Thank you, RS
Yup, I do. :-)
FR thread - Obama’s bio a state secret in Canada
National Post ^ | November 08, 2009 | Andrew Mayeda
And the screen capture of the Canadian National Post article that can be seen here. You know how these things love to disappear like OBot vaporware on the Internet. Here:
Title: "Obama's Bio a State Secret in Canada"
@Andy
You must be the biggest idiot on the Internet and that's saying something.
Evidence OBot. Exhibit "A"
"Obama was registered as Barry Soetoro and an Indonesian citizen on his Indonesian school registration."
Barry Soetoro's Indonesian school registration
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/06/indonesian-citizen-barack-obama-writes.html
And WND article-
http://www.wnd.com/2011/05/295289/ - Was Obama an Indonesian citizen?
Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification
@RS
No, RS, you must be. I've asked you pointed questions, and then you answer some entirely different question. You (and Berg) made three assertions:
1. There was no way for Soetoro to have attended school in Jakarta, Indonesia legally unless he was an Indonesian citizen, as Indonesia was under tight rule and was a Police State.
2. Since Indonesia did not allow duel citizenship; neither did the United States (since the United States only permitted duel citizenship when 'both' countries agree)
3. As a result of Obama's Indonesian "natural" citizenship status, Obama could never regain U.S. "natural born" status, if he in fact he ever held such
And I'm asking you to either stand by those assertions with quotes from the documents you listed (the Indonesian Constitution, or the Chapter 13, Law 62 of 1958).
Do either of those support your claims as you've said they did? If so, please show us the text. (I've read them, and there is no support to be had there.)
Can you do that?
@RS
Yep, you found a picture that lists his citizenship as "Indonesian."
But that still doesn't disqualify him. Notice that little thing called "birthplace."
So that document shows that he was a natural born citizen. You really should use evidence that doesn't destroy your argument.
great point about Geraldo thinking the Barry name is part of the conspiracy theory where has he been? it was the biggest thing that stuck out when I heard the interview. Also, the surprise expert was telling.
@smrstrauss
Still, if a rational person (not necessarily you) had to chose between which was the fact, a statement from the government of the country, and the speculations of people who do not like Obama, a rational person would pick the statement of the government.
It's not entirely speculation OBot... nowhere near it. Government tend to lie and have lied a lot in the history of government, and they certianly won't tell you the truth if they see it as a political liability by doing so. But you being a Socialist/Communist mouth piece have a big blind spot and want government to be all and end all.
Answer: Obviously if a Britbart reporter really had that news, she or he would publish it, and it has not been published.
A non sequitur. It's only been a few days OBot when the news broke, and the Breitbart reporter was out of the country according to Wayne Root. Furthermore, he may have had no idea that Root would go public with the proof that he has on Obama is/was a Indonesian citizen. Reporters always do sit on information until they feel like reporting on it. See the LA Slimes as an example.
Let us wait a month or so, and if it has not been published, let us come back to this claim and evaluate it. IF it has not been published in a month or six weeks, you would have to admit that the guy who was claiming that the reporter said it, made it all up.
Sorta contradicts the first part of your paragraph. Yes lets wait. I'm patient. Too bad most OBots are not patient. It's usually, let me see it now! Or you got noth'n! LoL.
Answer: And your reliable source for that was? (Yes, it has appeared on some birther sites, but there is no independent confirmation.)
Oh yes OBot. From a reputable Canadian news outlet as far as a main stream news can be "reputable". And it's pretty hard when the Establishment in this country and others go around actively covering up to always get "independent confirmation" about Obama. You know, the big government that you support.
Here it is - repeating it again from above:
"Yup, I do. :-)
FR thread - Obama’s bio a state secret in Canada
National Post ^ | November 08, 2009 | Andrew Mayeda
And the screen capture of the Canadian National Post article that can be seen here. You know how these things love to disappear like OBot vaporware on the Internet. Here:
Title: "Obama's Bio a State Secret in Canada" "
@Don Kosky
He thinks that him being called "Barry Soetoro" at Columbia is silly, because there is no evidence he was called that at Columbia, contrary to what the interviewee said.
@Andy
I believe Berg on this issue a lot more than Dingbats OBots who incessantly BS like you.
And you or other clowns haven't come close to disproving Berg's assertions that Obama was not an Indonesian citizen. In fact, the evidence points that he was just that an Indonesian citizen.
So that document shows that he was a natural born citizen. You really should use evidence that doesn't destroy your argument.
No it doesn't idiot.
@Don Kosky
Breitbart showed that Obama graduated from Columbia as Barack Obama not Barry Soetoro. So Root's claim that Obama went to Columbia under that name are false.
@RS
That document also says he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii.
Proof positive that he was born in Hawaii.
@RS
You are probably the stupidest birther I've ver met. And that's saying a lot.
You make claims, then won't back them up. How ignorant.
And now you think you know better than anyone what a natural born citizen is?
Ridiculous.
You're a crotchety old man with nothing but hatred and venom. You have no life, so you try to destroy others to compensate.
It's pathetic. I pity you.
Anyone notice that Barry's campaign along with Barry's supporters and those idiots who post here have never asked for Romney's transcripts? Probably because then Romney could flip it back to Barry Mr. Transparency. It's just a piece of paper. Your fools if you think Barry has nothing to hide. It's just a piece of paper. Why work so hard to hide it. It's just a piece of paper, right?
wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com/blog
wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com
mike@wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com
@wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com/blog
Or it could be that college transcripts are irrelevant. Just sayin'.
Breaking news! Dan Rather is printing copies of Barry's transcripts !
wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com/blog
wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com
How much is the Obama Squad paying you Andy?
You seem to never leave this site.
Don't you ever get sick of defending that hypocritical piece of shit named Obama a.k.a. Soetoro?
@Andy
Hawaii has provided a birth certificate that it says is genuine. YOU can doubt it all you want, but the law can't.
Andy what Hawaii Government official was it who made this claim on paper that will stand up in a court of law?
@smrstraussThe simple fact is that I called the Indonesian Embassy and ASKED and they told me that he was never an Indonesian Citizen
This is one of the funniest statements you have made in your unrelenting defense of Obama, and you do spend an inordinate amount of time defending him. You called "the" Indonesian Embassy, really, there are Indonesian Embassies in virtually every major capitol city in countries across the globe, the purpose of an embassy is to increase communication between countries by having official representatives of foreign governments on hand to consult or negotiate with the host government. Embassies also assist travelers from their home country., and provide visa and other consular services for people seeking to travel abroad. What an Embassy is not, is a repository for information regarding an individuals citizenship status to be disseminated to any tom, dick, or harry, or in your case smrstrauss who asks for it. I called the US Embassy in Jakarta and ASKED them if smrstrauss was ever a US Citizen and they told me he never was, and that is a fact, you can call them if you wish. Of course I may have got your name wrong, is it Mr. Strauss or Mrs. Trauss, big difference. Was it Barack H Obama or Barry Soetero, big difference.
@Fathertime
Dr. Alvin Onaka. It's already been submitted in a case in Mississippi.
Another verification was sent to the SOS of Arizona.
@Anonymous
Proof positive that he was born in Hawaii.
Hey OBot you illogical clown. It's only evidence and not pooooof positive idiot.
If you take that as pooooof positive then you have to accept that Obama was/is an Indonesian citizen because that's what it also says on the same Indonesian school document.
But I doubt the Barry Soetoro or his Indo daddy had to show poooof positive that he was born in Hawaii, but he highly likely had to show proof positive that he was a citizen of Indonesia and that he was requirement to carry the government citizen ID school card called the Karty Tanda Pendudaks, or as well as the family citizen ID card called a Kartu Keluarga that Indo daddy may have presented to the school.
@Obot Slayer
I just stop by when I'm taking a mental break from something taxing.
And I don't get paid. I just like sharing the truth.
@Fathertime
Dr. Onaka, the state registrar.
Here:
http://www.obamabirthbook.com/wp-content/uploads/verification.jpg
It was submitted to Federal Court in Mississippi.
@Andy
You're a crotchety old man with nothing but hatred and venom. You have no life, so you try to destroy others to compensate.
LoL old? Dang, I don't look old. LoL. Or do I feel old. Heck, I can likely run less than a 4.5 in the 40. How about you OBot? I think you're a little OBot pansy who blogs in his underwear in mommy's basement. What I do here is point out your stupidity that you display post after post.
It's pathetic. I pity you.
Save you silly pity for yourself little OBot. You need it.
@Andy
And I don't get paid. I just like sharing the truth.
Sharing the truth?! LoL. Sharing OBot propaganda and lies.
@RS
" What I do here is point out your stupidity that you display post after post. "
And yet you've not proven me wrong yet. lol How sad for you.
Now how does it feel to have wasted four years of your life birthering?
@Andy
Sorry but #2 is a little miss leading original Certificate of Live Birth means the first Certificate of Live Birth on file.
The question is was the original file in 1961 or 2010, 2011, 2012? Hawaii never say!
Andy,irrelevany? Then why fight it. What if does show Barry was a foreign student. It's just a piece of paper right?
wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com/blog
wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com
@Fathertime
Ah, but there is the wonderful little part like this: all the information, including the registrars dates and signatures match the original on file Everything. The Mississipi verification included the COLB.
@wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com/blog
Neither of their college transcripts are relevant.
@Fathertime
The whitehouse pdf says it was filed and accepted by the state registrar on August 8th, 1961.
Dr. Onaka says that this is the same information as on the original.
@Andy
I don’t question whether they match but when was the original file 1961 or later?
@RS
It's funny that you say that, while also classifying the bios of the entire American entourage. Obviously they all have something in common.
Oh yeah, they're diplomats. And the Canadian Government didn't want to injure relations with other countries. So now because the Canadians decided to block all of our entourage's biographies, it's somehow Obama's fault. Please.
@RS
"But I doubt the Barry Soetoro or his Indo daddy had to show poooof positive that he was born in Hawaii, but he highly likely had to show proof positive that he was a citizen of Indonesia and that he was requirement to carry the government citizen ID school card called the Karty Tanda Pendudaks, or as well as the family citizen ID card called a Kartu Keluarga that Indo daddy may have presented to the school."
Considering the Kartu Tanda Penduduk is only for those over the age of 17, I doubt Obama would have one. Though that very well may explain the Indonesian Citizen citation. Lolo may very well have shown his card, and they assumed Obama was an Indonesian citizen.
Good theory. You're a smart Obot, RS.
Andy you're nothing but an Obama ass-sucker.
The Hawaii DOH, Obama, and the media has been caught in so many lies it is hard keep track of them all.
Here's just 3 examples.
The COLB(short-form) you may or not be speaking about was reported by both the White House and the media that it was REQUESTED by Obama's campaign and ISSUED by the Hawaii DOH in 2008.
That is complete and utter BULLSHIT! The COLB is very clearly date-stamped 2007.
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/04/busted-white-house-now-claims-they.html
It would take a fucking time machine to pull that off! Do you fucking believe in time machines Obot Andy?
When Obama requested his latest forged birth certificate his LAWYERS stated very clearly in the "request" letter to the Hawaii DOH that one of the "certified" copies would be made publicly available.
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/Birth_Certificate_Request.PDF
I'm sorry but posting a digitally created document on a website is not making a "certified" copy of a birth certificate publicly available. Try that shit with the DMV or the Passport Office and see how far you get!
For 16 years Obama's own literary agent published Obama was born in Kenya. You know damn well that authors provide their own BIO details to their literary agents. As HIS OWN literary agents website states. And you know damn well that same BIO was used to promote Obama's "Dreams from My Father" book as late as of May 2007.
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/05/breitbart-goes-birther-obama-listed-as.html
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/05/obama-error-obama-born-in-kenya-bio.html
Again, how much are you being paid to troll at this site 18 hours a day?
@Fathertime
It was accepted in 1961 according to the registrar's dating and the doctor's signature.
@Andy
Andy Andy Andy
I'm not asking what is on the COLB but when was the orginal COLB put in to the HDOH records?
Was it 1961 or 2009, 2010 or some other year.
HDOH never say when they came across this COLB. In 2008 no one could find Obama's BC and in 2011 we have this:
Abercrombie did not report to the newspaper that he or the Hawaii Department of Health had found Obama’s long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate. The governor only suggested his investigations to date had identified an unspecified listing or notation of Obama’s birth that someone had made in the state archives.
“It was actually written, I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down,” Abercrombie said.
Funny how Obama's WH COLB seem more then written down, unspecified listing or notation.
@Obot Slayer
"It would take a fucking time machine to pull that off! Do you fucking believe in time machines Obot Andy?"
No, but I believe humans make mistakes. Just like you said "Here's just three examples," when it should be "Here are just three examples."
It takes a moron to make that mistake. Do you believe you're a moron? No?
I don't either. So I won't mention it this time.
"When Obama requested his latest forged birth certificate his LAWYERS stated very clearly in the "request" letter to the Hawaii DOH that one of the "certified" copies would be made publicly available."
And logistically, they chose a pdf online, since it's the 21st Century. Do you really think any President is going to put something they own for the public to come and inspect? Really?
"For 16 years Obama's own literary agent published Obama was born in Kenya.
Yes, they did. Erroneously so, but they did.
You know damn well that authors provide their own BIO details to their literary agents. As HIS OWN literary agents website states.
I know no such thing. The author of the bio actually stated it was her fault, and she wasn't Obama.
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/05/17/literary_agent_says_1991_booklet_was_a_mistake.html
And you know damn well that same BIO was used to promote Obama's "Dreams from My Father" book as late as of May 2007."
Yes, it was, kind of. Not to the general public, but as a general kind of publisher's "look what authors we have!" Have you ever seen one before?
And just to point out, there are other mistakes in the bios. They apparently weren't very good at fact checking when they wrote it, though that was long before the internet was around.
@Fathertime
No one at the DOH said they couldn't find it in 2008.
Abercrombie by law was unable to release any information about it. And, in all honestly, he was probably told he couldn't see it.
@Fathertime
On the long form birth certificate there are two boxes for date stamps. One of the boxes is the date the local registrar accepted the BC and the other is the date the Registrar General accepted the BC. On the White House pdf the two boxes have been stamped Aug 8, 1961.
And Dr. Onaka has certified that those are the dates that occur on the original. There can be no other date accepted by the registrar. No 2009, no 2010.
"In 2008 no one could find Obama's BC and in 2011 we have this"
That is a false statement.
BTW, the short form BC that Obama obtained from Hawaii in 2007 has the same date filed by the registrar - August 8, 1961.
Michael Savage on the cult of Obama. Great article and it's what we are dealing with in the Obots posting here. Check it out:
http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/savage-bhagwan-shree-obama-leading-democrat-cult/
@AnonymousYou are correct on this observation that I noticed as well.
Geraldo must do what his job dictates rather than focus on getting at the truth.
> And a Breitbart reporter in Indonesia claims(according to Root) to have the real proof that Obama is/was an Indonesian citizen.
Even if that were true (and so far you only have hearsay = nothing at all), it wouldn't mean Obama isn't an NBC.
First, whatever citizenship he may have acquired later, he'd still be a natural *born* US citizen. This status cannot be retroactively destroyed.
Second, it is irrelevant whether Indonesia considers him an Indonesian citizen (and not a US citizen). Last I checked, only the US decides who are its citizens, not Indonesia, not France, not North Korea.
And US law does not allow a 6-year-old to lose his US citizenship. His parents cannot renounce it for him and he cannot renounce it himself either.
How hard is that to understand?
So even if - and I'm not saying that's been proven - he was an Indonesian citizen at some point (or still today), he would still be a natural born US citizen today.
@John Doe Sr.
"and it's what we are dealing with in the Obots posting here. "
That's funny. If only we weren't actually telling the truth, as opposed to the birthers.
@ Andy
Abercrombie was making a statement on what the HDOH had on Obama BC not what was on it.
“It was actually written, I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down,” Abercrombie said.
Funny but Obama’s WH COLB looks type to me not written.
And in the same interview Abercrombie suggested that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1348916/Hawaii-governor-says-Obamas-birth-record-exists-produce-it.html#ixzz23HFYvqBB
Funny HDOH cannot find where they put Obama COLB in 2011 but they had it all along? LOL
Let me tell HDOH how to look up a birth record; by Obama’s birth number or let’s go back to Aug. 4 1961. How hard is that when the Governor wants the HDOH to see if they have a BC on Obama?
Also going back to 2008
Tim Adams, a former senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu in 2008, has maintained that there is no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate on file with the Hawaii Department of Health and that neither Honolulu hospital – Queens Medical Center or Kapiolani Medical Center – has any record that Obama was born there.
@Fathertime
Look, if you're looking to Abercrombie for reliable statements, you've got the wrong guy. He had no access to the vital records. Even as governor, the law applies.
My honest feeling is that he was trying to play "big man" and got told off by his own DOH, since he has no more right to the BC than anyone else.
As for Mr. Adams - there's only one problem. Elections clerks have no access to vital records. And they definitely have absolutely no access to hospital records. (Have you ever heard of HIPPA.)
So, like Mr. Abercrombie, he isn't a reliable source on what is and isn't there. They just don't have access.
"He had no access to the vital records. Even as governor, the law applies."
Andy stop your Obama lies. They are not working. Obama doubters grow by the day so you're wasting your time. People are not buying the BS put out by you Obots and the MSM.
Former Hawaii Governor Lingle said the following,
"It's been an odd situation," Lingle said, referring to the continuing controversy over the disputed natural-born citizenship of Obama. "This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it's one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country.
"So I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that's just a fact and yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue and I think it's again a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this."
Lingle's statement, above, is a lie. Fukino's statement never identified Kapiolani as Obama's birthplace -- never, never, never!
Fukino said, "[I have]...personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record...," so there is a document. Hawaii released an Adobe document containing an alphabetical list of births, produced from the Hawaii Birth Index database, containing the names of those issued Certificates of Hawaiian Birth from 1911 to 1971, for those who did not get a standard Birth certificate, at birth." The name Obama does not exist.
Beyond the lie, if Lingle disclosed Obama's birth hospital without his permission, she has committed a misdemeanor. If Obama gave permission for this public disclosure, then Hawaii no longer has a basis for maintaining the privacy of Obama's birth records.
§338-18 Disclosure of records. (a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.
The Kapi'olani Medical Center for Woman and Children in Hawaii is one of two Honolulu hospitals at which Obama is alleged to have been born -- Queens medical center being the other.
Although the governor now claims she issued a news release stating Kapi'olani is Obama's birthplace, the actual release said no such thing, making no reference to Kapi'olani nor any other specific location of Obama's birth.
Ironically, the governor's pinpointing of the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children as well as her health director's previous public statements on the matter statement are in apparent violation of Hawaii state law.
In two separate telephone interviews, Janice Okubo, the Health Department's public information officer, said that Hawaii law prohibited her from commenting on the birth records of any specific person.
http://theobamafile.com/_eligibility/linglelies.htm
Who are we supposed to believe, Andy?
@Anonymous
"Andy stop your Obama lies. They are not working. "
I told no lie. Even Governor Lingle didn't get access to the record - the health director did.
Make sure and read your sources so they don't contradict you, dumbass.
"Even Governor Lingle didn't get access to the record"
Where did I claim she did, dumbass?
She did however use her power as the Governor to have someone else look at it.
That wasn't the point of the comment, though. But you know that already.
@Anonymous
No, you called me a liar. I assumed you were backing up your claim that I'm a liar with that.
Neither Governor had access to the records. Lingle was smart and asked someone who did to look into it.
So did I lie? And if so, about what?
@AndyOk so why not release it then? It's just a piece of paper, Right?
wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com/blog
wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com
@AndyAndy, Andy, Andy it's just a piece of paper just release it. Nothing to hide everything is ok. Just release it. Why do you think Barry's campaign has not asked for Romney's? It's just a piece of paper, right?
wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com/blog
wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com
All of the back and forth, quoting this and that. Indonesian Law, Hawaiian Law, Chicago Law and what do we have? Nothing. There is a reason the smartest man in the universe won't release it. People (and you too andy) add it all up it's just a piece of paper, right?
wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com/blog
wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com
@wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com/blog
They did release it. They showed it to reporters. At least one took pictures. They even made copies for them.
Then they made a picture for the general public and put it on the internet.
How would you suggest they make it available to the public besides for by a picture?
I mean, that's more than any other Presidential Candidate in history has done. Mitt Romney even followed suit by releasing a picture of his.
So it has been released. And what's more, it's been verified by the state of Hawaii multiple times.
So what are you asking for now? It's been released. Hell, the current legal form was released in 2008. And yet here were are, in 2012, with you asking for it to be released.
You're either really not very bright, or your disingenuous with your request.
Which is it?
@Anonymous
Proof positive that he was born in Hawaii.
Andy,
when Obama was born, did Hawaii issue birth certificates upon testimonies or statements claiming births in Hawaii from any persons or adults?
Give a simple 'yes' or 'no' answer, and support your 'yes' or 'no' answer with Hawaiian law.
Can you do that ... Andy?
@Andy
You make claims, then won't back them up. How ignorant.
Andy,
when Obama was born, did the Hawaiian Department of Health (DoH) issue birth certificates only upon the support from testimonies or statements from any persons or adults?
Answer the question with a simple 'yes' or 'no' and support your answer with Hawaiian law.
Can you do that... Andy?
DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz Caught Lying: Whines About Obama Eligibility Ad
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/08/dnc-chair-debbie-wasserman-schultz.html
@Andy
If you said Abercrombie is the wrong guy for reliable statements; then can I use Obama’s statements as reliable?
Most news reporters who interview Obama before 2006 wrote “Born in Kenya or Kenya born” where did these reporters get this information of the place of Obama’s birth? From Obama
Breitbart News has obtained a promotional booklet produced in 1991 by Barack Obama's then-literary agency, Acton & Dystel, which touts Obama as "born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii."
Then Obama told people after 2007 his place of birth was Queen’s Medical Center
http://theobamafile.com/_images/ObamaQueensHospital.jpg
Or Obama’s own website “Organizing for America” say Obama was born at Queens
http://theobamafile.com/_images/QueensHospital01.jpg
Oh yes the saying “it must be true it was in the newspaper” from the Honolulu Star-Bulletin Obama was born at Queens
http://theobamafile.com/_images/ObamaBornQueensMedical.jpg
Don’t forget Snopes.com They are the best at showing the truth they said Queens was the birth place
OK we can trust our Government and what part of our government would be more upstanding but the Library of Congress and they report Obama was born at Queens.
But let’s be fair Obama don’t remember he was just a baby but his step-grandmother Sarah was there at Obama’s birth at Coast Provincial General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.
http://theobamafile.com/_eligibility/hospitals.htm
Obama’s birth place is like KilRoy which shows
up everywhere.
Sorry but Obama has told to many stories of his place of birth so until it is view by experts and is back up with doc. I don’t know what the truth is.
I believe (because Ann was in collage just 19 days after giving birth) Kenya is not the place of birth Aug. 4 1961 and Hawaii is not the place of birth Aug 4, 1961. I believe the place has to be closer to Washington State U to have given birth on Aug 4, 1961.
The true fact is we don’t know for sure if Ann is the mother or if Obama was born Aug 4, 1961.
From what I do know and what I know is not the truth; Ann is the mother
I think this was the game plan: Ann was ship off to Canada to hide the fact she was with child to give the child up for adoption and after the birth start Collage at WSU and return home in Hawaii for Christmas break. This way no one would know Ann had got mix up with a black man. This is 1961 and White girl and a black man was a no no.
This explains why Canada has sealed all of Obama’s records. If it was not for Obama being born in Canada what records would they have to seal?
I believe I know what happen but I want to know the truth but Obama is hiding the records to find the truth.
@Fathertime
Most news reporters who interview Obama before 2006 wrote “Born in Kenya or Kenya born” where did these reporters get this information of the place of Obama’s birth?
Oh really? Please, do provide something to support that claim.
Breitbart News has obtained a promotional booklet produced in 1991 by Barack Obama's then-literary agency, Acton & Dystel, which touts Obama as "born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii."
Which the editor involved said was a mistake, pointing out that Mr. Obama didn't submit anything for that. (There are also other errors in the biographies, but I guess those don't matter, right?)
"Then Obama told people after 2007 his place of birth was Queen’s Medical Center"
These are not Obama's words. You will not find a single source putting those words in his mouth. Notice this isn't a direct quote, but a reporter's summary.
Or Obama’s own website “Organizing for America” say Obama was born at Queens.
No, if you look at the picture, this was posted on someone's personal blog at BarackObama.com. Notice this was posted by KHATPATI, not by Barack Obama.
"Oh yes the saying “it must be true it was in the newspaper” from the Honolulu Star-Bulletin Obama was born at Queens"
Which would be great, except that isn't from a newspaper.
"OK we can trust our Government and what part of our government would be more upstanding but the Library of Congress and they report Obama was born at Queens."
Oh they do? Then why don't you provide us with a link?
But let’s be fair Obama don’t remember he was just a baby but his step-grandmother Sarah was there at Obama’s birth at Coast Provincial General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.
Except she never said that. There is an edited tape out that that tries to make it sound that way, but the full tape showed she did not.
(And your link doesn't work)
"Sorry but Obama has told to many stories of his place of birth so until it is view by experts and is back up with doc. I don’t know what the truth is."
Again, you make a claim but without a source. You haven't provided anything Mr. Obama has said or written that has ever contradicted his birth place.
And yes, we do know. The state of Hawaii has verified it's record, the White House has released it. It's not a matter of getting to question it anymore with any since of sincerity. If you question it, it isn't because the evidence isn't strong enough - you must have ulterior motives.
(And Canada didn't seal any "records." They sealed the biographies and information about an entire entourage, not just Mr. Obama, you twit. At least the the courtesy to figure out what is true and what are birther lies. Then you can at least be consistent.)
I read in an article that Glen Becked raped and murdered a girl in 1990. Since an article said it, does that mean it it is true?
@RS
"when Obama was born, did Hawaii issue birth certificates upon testimonies or statements claiming births in Hawaii from any persons or adults?"
No. Only those with knowledge of the birth could be used.
But, of course, you're barking up the wrong tree. The law specifies that if the birth is in a hospital that the "physician, midwife, or other legally-authorized person" shall supply the information.
Since Obama was born in a hospital, the doctor is the one who signed the form. There is nothing in the law that could magically add a doctor's signature to a birth certificate.
And since the DOH of Hawaii has verified ALL the information, every single bit of it, then there is no question that Obama was born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu Hawaii attended by Dr. Sinclair.
@Andy
No. Only those with knowledge of the birth could be used.
No Really? That should be a "Yes" by you. So you do understand that someone could claim that a birth happened in Hawaii and the DoH would issue a birth certificate upon that claim. BTW, you didn't cite the law.
And since you really do understand that someone could get a Hawaiian birth certificate with just a statement stating that the child was born in Hawaii, you should also agree that the birth certificate could be altered or amended at a later date. You do agree that a HI birth certificate can be altered or amended later?
@RS
You're an idiot, RS. While someone could conceivably get a BC by affidavit alone (which is common in most states), and amended BCs do exist (which is also common), there is no evidence that this happened with Obama.
Moreover, there is no mechanism in the any of those laws for a HOSPITAL birth to fall into those categories, only unattended births.
Notice the doctor's signature.
Notice the hospital's name.
Notice the lack of the world "AMENDED."
Notice that you have no evidence of your theory. You have nothing to support you. You are an idiot.
@RS
Would you like me to cite the law? Then here:
"Within the time prescribed by the board, a certificate of every birth shall be filed with the local registrar of the district in which the birth occurred, by the physician, midwife, or other legally authorized person in attendance at the birth; or if not attended, by one of the parents."
"If neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information with any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate."
Notice it says only those with knowledge of the birth, and that's only if unattended, and then only if the parent can't do so.
Obama's mother signed the certificate. So did the doctor. So the law you're trying to throw around wouldn't apply.
I'm still waiting for you to cite a single law in support of your arguments that only citizens of Indonesia could attend school, or that simply acknowledging a child in Indonesia makes it a citizen, or that gaining Indonesian citizenship dissolves American citizenship.
But of course, you'll just change the subject and lie about it. It's what you always do. Never answer, just change the subject.
@Andy
Obama wrote he was born in Kenya not someone else
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/_6yCdFFFyjo/0.jpg
here is just some of the news report Obama was born in Kenya
Headline Kenyan Born “US Africa”
http://citizenwells.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/KenyanBornbarackbama08usafrica.gif
The Nigerian Observer
http://oilforimmigration.org/images/screencapt3.jpg
AP story Sunday Standard
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm
NewsLibrary.com news research made easy
http://nobarack08.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/bbc_news_kenyan_born_obama.jpg
Hey how about NPR Kenya born
http://nobarack08.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/100408npr.jpg
Another Africa newspaper
http://nobarack08.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/newspage-report.png
2006 AFP born in Kenya
http://nobarack08.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/tanzania.jpg
2004 BBC visited his Kenyan home
http://nobarack08.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/obama_bbc_senatewin_kenya_home.jpg
Modern Ghana reports Obama visit the continent of his birth (African)
http://nobarack08.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/modernghana.jpg
Andy all it will take is for Obama to open his birth records to clear this up. Like I posted with Washington State U reporting 19 days after Obama’s birth Ann was in classes. If this is to be true then I believe Obama might be born in Canada and that is why Canada has seal all records on Obama.
@Andy
You're an idiot, RS. While someone could conceivably get a BC by affidavit alone (which is common in most states), and amended BCs do exist (which is also common
Notice it says only those with knowledge of the birth, and that's only if unattended, and then only if the parent can't do so.
So you do admit that HI birth certificates can be amended or altered, and you have also admitted Hawaiian allows for birth certificates to be issued by anyone who claims knowledge of the birth. The key and operative words above are "knowledge of the birth" in Hawaii.
From a former CIA officer who did an investigation about the many ways that a Hawaiian birth certificate were and still are obtained. The Investigator published his report here.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/clearing-the-smoke-june10/
The pertinent snippets:
"BC3. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, a “Delayed Certificate” could be filed, which required that “a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing or the alteration [of a file] shall be endorsed on the certificates”, which “evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file.” The statute provided that “the probative value of a ‘delayed’ or ‘altered’ certificate shall be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence.” (See Section 57- 9, 18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).”
[In other words, this form of vault birth certificate, the Delayed Certificate, required no more than a statement before a government bureaucrat by one of the parents or (the law does not seem to me clear on this) one of Barack Obama’s grandparents. If the latter is true, Ann Dunham did not have to be present for this statement or even in the country.]
BC4. If a child is born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult (including the subject person [i.e. the birth child as an adult]) if the Office of the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year. (See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961.) In 1955 the “secretary of the Territory” was in charge of this procedure. In 1960 it was transferred to the Office of the Lieutenant Governor (“the lieutenant governor, or his secretary, or such other person as he may designate or appoint from his office” §338-41 [in 1961]).
Yes, we're all the "idiots" - Zullo, Arpaio, Root, Denninger, Zebest, Corsi, Monckton, Vogt and Zatkovich - and you're the real "genius" here. LoL.
http://nobarack08.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/indonesianmatters1.jpg
As a State Senator Obama admits childhood in Kenya, Obama’s next big international journey will be in 2007 –he’s looking at China, India and Indonesia, “where ironicall I actually have more of a childhood than I do in Kenya.”
Michelle Obama – Obama, a Kenyan, when we visited Barack’s ‘Home Country’ of Kenya, on video multiple times.
Newspaper articles;
NPR Radio – Kenyan Born
Nigerian-Observer – Kenyan Born
All Africa – Kenyan Born
My Auburn California – Kenyan Born
East African Standard – Kenyan Born
Ghana News – Kenyan Born
Modern Ghana – - Continent of his birth
Newspage Weekly – Kenyan Born
BBC News – who last visited his Kenyan home in 1992
Sunday Standard – Kenyan Born
Tanzania – US Senator born here, He’s born here, who live in the US.
The Kenyan Government Official James Orengo “If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the President of America?
Neil Ambercrombie, current Gov of Hawaii, used a search warrant and was not able to locate any records in Hawaii of the supposed Barack Abdallah Husein Obama’s birth, per Ambercrombie ‘there is no proof that Obama was born in Hawaii’
Former Elections official Tim Adams, “there is no long form Birth Certificate on file in Hawaii for Barack Obama”
ITNsource.com: U.S. Senator Barack Obama arrived in western Kenya on Saturday (August 26) to a welcome from thousands of cheering well-wishers, there to greet the rising political star of the America’s Democratic Party as a native son. Obama flew into Kisumu, on the shores of Lake Victoria, on the way to his Kenyan father’s village for the highly anticipated climax of his two-week African tour….
Video Flashback: Barack Obama Speaking In Western Kenya With Mass Murderer Raila Odinga: “I Am So Proud To Come Back Home…” – August 26, 2006
http://youtu.be/87pXa2pK6sg
Andy I can keep going but you get the point only Obama can open his records so the truth could be told.
@Andy
I'm still waiting for you to cite a single law in support of your arguments that only citizens of Indonesia could attend school, or that simply acknowledging a child in Indonesia makes it a citizen, or that gaining Indonesian citizenship dissolves American citizenship.
That argument was part of the Berg's lawsuit when Indonesia was fighting Communists and under strict law of the "new order" to keep and maintain political order of Indonesia. And no, to the contrary, you haven't said anything to really disprove Berg; that Berg is or was not correct in his lawsuit.
@Fathertime
With the old pamphlet again. The one the editor said that Obama didn't write.
So you still have not a single time that he's said was born in Kenya.
And he has opened his records as much as humanly possible. He got a certified copy. He posted a picture of it on the internet.
What more can you want?
Canada hasn't sealed it's records of Obama. It did redact specific records for an entire ENTOURAGE of Americans, including Obama, who visited. Does this mean the entire ENTOURAGE was born in Canada?
@RS
Yeah, you are all idiots. You somehow think that Obama was born somewhere besides where his birth certificate says. The one that Hawaii says is genuine.
Somehow these laws apply to someone born in a hospital. Can you show anywhere that a doctor's SIGNATURE, not name, but signature could be added later?
Or the mothers?
No. Because it can't. And that's why you're an idiot. (But by no means the only reason.)
@Andy
Yeah, you are all idiots. You somehow think that Obama was born somewhere besides where his birth certificate says. The one that Hawaii says is genuine.
Sure 'Genius' you keep on thinking that.
Somehow these laws apply to someone born in a hospital.
No they don't.
Can you show anywhere that a doctor's SIGNATURE, not name, but signature could be added later?
The clowns in Hawaii would file it in their records even if Obama stated he was born inside the Diamond Head cone.
No. Because it can't. And that's why you're an idiot. (But by no means the only reason.)
Yeah, sure thing boy genius. LoL.
@ Andy
Just keep making it up that these news reports on Obama don’t say Obama was Kenya Born.
And he has opened his records as much as humanly possible. He got a certified copy. He posted a picture of it on the internet.-Andy
All Obama has to do is tell HDOH his birth records is open to anyone who wants to see. Then Hawaii can make $10 a copy for all request made. That would be a start.
@ Andy
Where were you when Obama was telling people he was born in Kenya?
Were you giving praise of Obama’s birth in Kenya then and when he change his birth story to Queens in Hawaii did you abandon the Kenya story and now you’re on page three of the birth story of Kaliolani Medical Center.
Andy if Obama changes his birth place again I’m sure you will be onboard to tell everyone Obama never said he was born any place other then the new birth place.
Obama said the sky is green, I don’t want to hear you telling me the sky is not blue.
"TELL CONGRESS: IMPEACH OBAMA FOR DREAM ACT OR IT WILL KILL ALL OF OUR DREAMS OF ECONOMIC RECOVERY AND LAWFUL ELECTIONS!!!"
Posted on August 13, 2012
"As you know, Obama signed a Dream Act, where he gave amnesty by fiat to some estimated 800,000 illegal aliens, who came here as children.
This is the biggest assault on our system of law and lawful elections.
First, as with any number coming from the government, it is a bogus number. The government is telling you that we have only 11-12 million illegals. Other statistical data shows this number to be more like 25-30 million.
When I talked to the senior deportation officer John Sampson, he told me that the real number is more like 42 million of people who came here illegally or overstayed their visas. Rest assured that the vast majority of them will claim that they came here as children. It is impossible to verify all of their information, most will lie and in states like CA or NY or WA nobody will check.
This will completely undermine our elections, as they will be getting drivers licenses and will be voting and all of them will be voting for their messiah Obama. With millions of illegals voting we can kiss the rule of law goodbye. There are only 2 ways to stop this:
1. Prosecute ObamaForgeryGate and remove Obama from the White House and send him to the Big House.
2. Impeach him for the Dream act as a TOTAL SUBVERSION of the USA Constitution.
3. Burn the phones, call Congress, DEMAND IMMEDIATE IMPEACHMENT OF OBAMA for the Dream act.
4. DEMAND IMMEDIATE CRIMINAL PROSECUTION OF OBAMA for OBAMA is using a 100% stolen, 100% invalid, & a 100% illegal CT SSN 042-68-4425 which was 100% never legally assigned to him, and that was 100% assigned to an elderly individual in CT.
5. DEMAND IMMEDIATE CRIMINAL PROSECUTION OF OBAMA FOR OBAMA'S daily illegal commissions of federal high crimes and clear-cut daily illegal federal felonies he is committing while he is laughing in the faces of We The American People as he is using FOR HIS "USA I.D. DOCUMENTS" - ALL - 100% ILLEGAL, 100% ILLEGALLY CREATED & 100% CRIMINALLY MANUFACTURED, 100% FORGED FEDERAL GOV. DOCUMENT USA ID'S TO ILLEGALLY SEIZE THE POWER OF THE USA GOVERNMENT AND TO ILLEGALLY USURP THE OFFICE OF THE USA PRESIDENT BY COMMITTING 100% FEDERAL HIGH CRIMES.
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=230043
"TOP 10 REASONS NOT TO RE-ELECT OBAMA, PART 1"
"EXCLUSIVE: CHUCK NORRIS LISTS PRESIDENT'S ACTIONS AND POLICIES DEVASTATING AMERICA"
By Chuck Norris
August 12, 2012
"(Editor’s note: This is Part 1 of a three-part series by Chuck Norris on why American voters should not re-elect President Obama.)
On Feb. 2, 2009, President Barack Obama explained his chances to fix the economy to host Matt Lauer on NBC’s “Today” show: “I will be held accountable. I’ve got four years. … If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.”
Here are my Top 10 reasons why I believe President Obama shouldn’t stay a single day beyond his one term in the Oval Office:
* 10) Obama’s economic actions have failed to lower the U.S. unemployment rate below 8 percent for last 42 record months
(In Part 2 next week, I will continue my Top 10 reasons not to re-elect President Obama.)"
Continue To Read Part 1 Here:
http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/top-10-reasons-not-to-re-elect-obama-part-1/
Re: ""Obama was registered as Barry Soetoro and an Indonesian citizen on his Indonesian school registration."
Yes, but that is an unsigned document. The question is, is it true? The answer is that according to the Indonesian government (check me by calling the embassy if you doubt it), it is not true.
The unsigned form CLAIMS that Obama was a citizen. The Indonesian government says that he was never a citizen.
The Indonesian government is the authority on the matter. People could CLAIM that their children or the applicants to their school were Indonesian citizens, but that did not make the claims true.
@smrstrauss
Yes, but that is an unsigned document. The question is, is it true?
Well OBot, no OBot has proved that it is a forgery, unlike all the OBama forgeries.
The unsigned form CLAIMS that Obama was a citizen. The Indonesian government says that he was never a citizen.
Oh really?? Where did you get that?
The next thing you'll tell us that you called the Indonesian Embassy and some clerk told you what you wanted to hear. LoL OBot.
Obama did not say that he was born in Kenya; a publicist did. But, if Obama had said that he was born in Kenya, it would not be true. Only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961, and the idea that Obama's mother late in pregnancy traveled ten thousand miles to Kenya ALONE (WND has shown that Obama senior never left Hawaii) is completely nutty.
Re: "The next thing you'll tell us that you called the Indonesian Embassy and some clerk told you what you wanted to hear."
I spoke to the press officer. And you can check me out. If you think that I am lying or that I did not speak to the press officer, then you can call too. Anyone can. And they will tell you that Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia.
Re the document being a forgery. I never said that it was. However, people do lie on unsigned forms. In this case we do not even know who filled in the form. Was it Obama's step-father? Well, people do lie to get their children into the right school. Was it just the clerk? Clerks have been known to lie on forms when they have quotas as to the citizenship of applicants.
So, was it a lie? The Indonesian government says that yes it was a lie because Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia.
@smrstrauss
"I spoke to the press officer. And you can check me out. If you think that I am lying or that I did not speak to the press officer, then you can call too. Anyone can. And they will tell you that Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia."
I've already checked you out all over the Net as an OBot propagandist. I don't expect any government to cross Obama for many reasons, or tell some guy like you over the phone because the embassy staff press guy doesn't really know, but will spout you their per-made talking points.
"So, was it a lie? The Indonesian government says that yes it was a lie because Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia."
Yes, it could be a lie. Evidence or proof will have to come from somewhere else.
Re: "Yes, it could be a lie. Evidence or proof will have to come from somewhere else."
Okay. Until it does there is not evidence for the birther claim that Obama was an Indonesian citizen, and the fact remains that the Indonesian government has denied it.
@smrstrauss
Okay. Until it does there is not evidence for the birther claim that Obama was an Indonesian citizen,
There sure is evidence.
@smrstrauss
And another thing OBot. "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" [Website has same name] reported this on Sept 18 September 2008. In case you didn't know since you OBot After-Birthers are so ignorant about a lot of things:
"In an article entitled "A Forgotten Cause", Peter Tatchell sheds light on the plight of the West Papuans, many of whom are Christians and have suffered under Indonesia's brutal policy of ethnic and religious persecution. The untold story though is how the Obama campaign would sell out the West Papuans in a desperate attempt to protect Obama's presidential bid.
On the 3rd of July 2007, U.S. Congressman Eni Faleomavaega would touch down in Jakarta, Indonesia. A staunch outspoken critic of Jakarta's rule over West Papua, New Guinea and a crusader for West Papua’s right to self-determination, the chairman of the House Subcommittee on Asia, The Pacific and the Global Enviroment, Faleomavaega promised to be a force to be reckoned with.
Having been barred from visiting Papau by the Indonesian government, Faleomavaega would instead settle for a private meeting in Jakarta with Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono and Barnabas Suebu the governor for the Indonesian province of Papau. The Papuan issue though wasn't the only thing on Faleomavaega's mind, being one of Barack Obama's most devoted disciples, Faleomavaega would be seeking the Indonesian government's assistance in supporting Barack Obama's presidential campaign as well as making the requisite pilgrimage to Barack Obama's childhood school.
According to our Indonesian sources, "officials" who accompanied Faleomavaega were interested in acquiring any and all documentation or photographs of a young Barry Soetoro for America's "national archives" and they were offering cash, lots of it. In a show of faith, Barack Obama's childhood school would be one of the very first beneficiaries of this outpouring receiving thousands of dollars to upgrade the school and for the purchase of computer equipment, thanks in part to the benevolence of this visiting junket.
The challenge of course was securing Indonesian government records potentially damaging to Barack Obama's candidacy for the US presidency as well as other records pertaining to a young Barry Soetoro and his family wouldn't be so easy to acquire and secure, and for this, the visitors would need the assistance and cooperation of the Indonesian government.
It's not that getting Indonesian government help is difficult, it's not. It's no secret that Indonesia is one of the most corrupt countries on the planet, but we're not talking about the challenge of dealing with corrupt government officials here, but rather, dealing with the "true believers of change". Convincing the Indonesian government that an Obama presidency will be able to deliver that "change" and that it was in the interest of both countries to see that Barack Obama was elected was nothing more than a fait accompli for Faleomavaega's entourage.
For West Papau's governor in attendance, having been pacified at the prospect that an Obama presidency would enable him to make zillions trading carbon credits on the Chicago Climate Exchange, Barnabas Suebu would sit quietly as the fate of West Papau was decided."
http://laotze.blogspot.com/2008/09/obama-throwing-papau-under-bus.html
-end snip-
It all sounds sooo familiar about OBama over the last 4 years we have observed of his crony capitalism among his other doings in corruption. His bribes - here it was to hide his past, and as reported by the American ExPat that it was no problem for Obama to deal bribes to one of the "most corrupt countries on the planet".
Re corruption in Indonesian and Papua New Guinea.
Neither proves that Obama was an Indonesian citizen, and the Indonesian government says that he was never an Indonesia citizen.
If Obama had been an Indonesian citizen, there probably would have been a report saying that he was in some Indonesian newspaper, but there has never been one. Or, if the Indonesian government had thought that Obama was an Indonesian citizen, they would have sent him a tax bill when he first made money on his book, but they never did.
And so there is no evidence to confirm the unsigned form, and the Indonesian government says that Obama was never an Indonesian citizen.
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